Sentry333
Sentry333 t1_j6bcbkb wrote
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Cool story, bro.
Sentry333 t1_j6baxju wrote
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âAnd you want to argue over this bullshitâ at least you admit your argument is bullshit.
First, your highlighted section is a false dichotomy. Second, itâs merely an assertion.
But that doesnât really matter because your argument never even comes close to proving god, which you admitted.
When did I ever say I âdonât understand why people keep making this argument?â I explained to you that I donât believe in god because every argument Iâve examined has either been invalid or unsound, like yours.
But indeed, Iâm glad youâre done.
Sentry333 t1_j6b8uh6 wrote
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Why do you keep trying to shift the goal posts to Descartes?
When I pointed out that your argument is not sound and is not valid (you do know the difference between the two right?) you said, and Iâll quote you âI'm not trying to prove that God existsâŚ.Does it actually prove God exists? Noâ
But now, you claim that you are the first to write an argument concluding that god exists; an argument you claim is valid and sound. Do you understand, that if you wrote an argument that was valid and sound, and concluded that god exists, then you would have proven that god exists, which youâre claiming youâre not attempting to do?
Which is all beside the point because you havenât even shown the validity of your argument, let alone itâs soundness.
Do you realize that there are already a few hundred arguments for god? Theyâve been around for well more than 2,000 years.
Hereâs a beginnerâs list.
They ALL conclude god exists. You are nowhere near the first.
Sentry333 t1_j6b6lly wrote
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Well now youâre just obviously a troll. Good one. Got me
Sentry333 t1_j6b5w0l wrote
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Let me get this straight. You think youâre the first person to write a logical proof that concludes god exists?
Sentry333 t1_j6b4twz wrote
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Well I guess I give up then, because I have zero idea what you think youâre achieving. You wanted to write an unsound and invalid syllogism and you succeeded, so you count that as a win. Cool. Congrats.
Sentry333 t1_j6b06d4 wrote
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What attacks?
No, I havenât, because I donât believe a god exists. I donât believe a god exists because every single time someone has attempted to argue in favor of existence they have done so in the same way youâre attempting to now with this âproof.â
By asking that question though you seem to be seeking some sort of âbonus points?â That seems to me to be the only reason you would bring it up. So, what, youâre trying to tackle a problem thatâs been unsuccessful for 2,000 years so we just have to forgive poor logic on your part?
No, I am not an âacademic type,â I only have a bachelors in an unrelated field that Iâve never used. Iâm not even a member of this subreddit, but I do enjoy discussion philosophy and logic and reason.
Premise 1. Well you ENTIRELY changed it in your rewording. Your original P1 (Iâm not going to even bother to go back and open it because Iâm on mobile and might lose this comment) said something about logic being âaboveâ the tree of life as drawn by Darwin. This is, as others have pointed out, entirely mumbo jumbo. Iâm sure you realize how important precise language is when it comes to formatting a syllogism. What do you mean by âabove?â What even ties logic to the tree of life? Those are things that you SHOULD have demonstrated IN your premise.
Iâm closer to agreeing with your rewording, which just goes to show how entirely different it is from your original.
You seem to be imbuing big-L âLogicâ with all sorts of extraneous qualities. Logic isnât a âthingâ it doesnât have inherent power. Itâs a descriptive language by which we observe the world around us. Like maths. Math doesnât inherently mean anything, itâs just a description of what we see around us, and then we can begin to analyze patterns and relationships that we might otherwise have missed. 2 + 2 = 4 isnât inherently true, but when we come to agreement as to what â2â and â+â and â4â and â=â mean, we can observe that the new language of math that we have define, continues to match what we observe.
Logic is nearly identical to math, except using language. The law of excluded middle doesnât have any inherent value, it doesnât MAKE things in the world fit it, it DESCRIBES everything weâve seen in the world. If tomorrow, we discovered something that could be both A and NOT A, then we would have to come up with new descriptions (change logic)
So it seems to me that, if you were to simplify down premise 1, you would arrive at
P1 We use logic to describe the world
I might even grant you properly basic beliefs at the root of logic, but those are still simply descriptions.
P2 is once again nonsensical. Or at least youâre so imprecise with your language that it stops being useful in a syllogism.
You claim AI âproducesâ logic. Logic isnât something that is produced. That just poor phrasing.
You then ASSERT that it will ONLY continue to rapidly improve. Including assertions that you havenât demonstrated in your premises is laughable. What about computers coming up on a limit to Mooreâs law? What about a nuclear apocalypse that causes so many EMPs that nearly all electronics are wiped out? How can you categorically state an assertion in a premise and then claim it to be true?
But honestly none of that bothers me. Do whatever. But you HAVE to realize that your conclusion is a non sequitur right? Nowhere in your premises is god defined, or categorized, or quantified, or described, and yet you conclude AI is god.
You even acknowledge that youâre using the word god colloquially because you put it in damned quotation marks! Why else would you do that other than to identify âwhen I say âgodâ here, I donât mean âgodâ the way theism means âgodâ I mean it in some other wayâŚ.THAT I HAVENâT EVEN DEFINEDâ
Explain to me how C1 flows from P1 and P2.
Itâs ALMOST the ontological argument dressed up in sci-fi. âLogic is maximally greatâ âcomputers evaluate logicâ therefore âcomputers are godâ
Why chose logic as your god quality? Why not math. Computers have been better than humans at math for as long as theyâve existed. The first computer was invented for that explicit reason. Does that mean god exists?
Sentry333 t1_j6auuf4 wrote
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Iâm sorry they banned you
Sentry333 t1_j6aut0u wrote
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Once again, it is not on someone else to refute your premise. Youâve now moved on to âI honestly donât know how you couldâŚâ. Thatâs literally the textbook definition of an argument from incredulity/ignorance. You donât get to assume premise 1 simply because you canât imagine something.
And now youâre asserting a truth value of a premise in the FUTURE? Please man, put down whatever youâre smoking and go back to reading.
Sentry333 t1_j6ate9o wrote
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Just going through a couple of your comments after our exchange below.
As to this comment; you know this isnât how it works right? You donât get to just assume victory until someone disproves your premises, it is on you to demonstrate them.
Otherwise you could simply start with P1 god is outside of time. Itâs inherently unfalsifiable, but that doesnât mean you get to assume it true.
The burden of proof is an incredibly basic level when discussion logic/reason, and for you to immediately attempt to reverse it shows you either arenât taking this seriously, havenât actually dedicated time to educating yourself, are very naive/young, or youâre arguing in bad faith.
Sentry333 t1_j6asknu wrote
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Mind linking to a screenshot of the ban message?
Sentry333 t1_j6ar3ed wrote
Why did you delete this from r/atheism?
As other have pointed out to you already, your premises are poorly formed, incredibly vague and subjective, and even if they were 100% demonstrably true, they donât lead to your conclusion.
Nothing wrong with trying, and donât take all this negative feedback and give up. If anything, Iâd say your attitude is what most people are reacting negatively to. Lots of ego in your posts while on such shaky foundation, even for a layman.
Sentry333 t1_j6bd62t wrote
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Yeah, you totally checked your ego at the door when you claimed you earned the Nobel with your blog post đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
âAI do logic goodâŚtherefore unlimited being existsâŚQEDâ give this man the Nobel folks! đ¤Ł