SleazierPolarBear

SleazierPolarBear t1_itz90uk wrote

Marxism was communism, and only one specific school of thought amongst many similar philosophies at the time.

Socialists were the reason unions exploded in industrialized societies because they recognized the opportunity to grasp a form of economic power within an existing hierarchical structure. You could never implement worker ownership of means of production without some leverage over the existing hierarchy.

Dude you have NOT done the reading on this shit. Just stop.

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SleazierPolarBear t1_itz128y wrote

Again, I think you need to do more than an inch deep look into what socialism actually is instead of typing these walls of nonsense.

I said nothing about unions. I pointed out the problem in your definition of socialism in that you are either mistakenly, or purposefully, conflated a broad category with a specific implementation.

“Owned by the community” means something a bit different in the man iterations of proposed socialism. Unions being a pathway to worker ownership of the means of production is an idea goes back longer than you have been alive.

You sound like you’ve taken the first sentence of the wiki on socialism and make all your conclusions. Do better bro.

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SleazierPolarBear t1_itywxxb wrote

You are conflating the broad definition of socialism with a very specific implementation of socialism.

“Means of production being owned by the community” means many different things in many different models.

The most straight forward (and closest to “default”) method of organizing this is for the specific workers that use a specific means of production to have “ownership” of it. It makes no sense for Baker Becky in Arkansas to have a vote on what Machinist Marty in Florida does throughout the course of their workday.

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