Spackledgoat
Spackledgoat t1_isavea0 wrote
Reply to comment by PartyPorpoise in Accepted (2021) - A school in Louisiana is celebrated for putting traditionally underserved students into Ivy League colleges, but an investigation uncovers its charismatic founder's controversial methods (CC) [01:22:56] by thesecondfire
I’m not sure that view is accurate given the information that has come out regarding the test scores required of individuals of different races to be accepted into top universities.
Here is an article from the Harvard crimson that has a graph of the average SAT scores of admitted students by race: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/
You can find similar information regarding academic qualifications for med school applicants and law school applicants.
For law, bar passage rates provide an interesting data point. Those taking the bar have all graduated law school and are taking the same test (which, from my experience, is far easier than most law school tests). We would expect that if all law school applicants were qualified, they would be able to pass the minimum qualifications test at nearly the same rate. What we see instead is that the first time bar passage rate in 2021 for white takers was 24% higher than black takers (85% vs 61%). The passage rate for black takers was also 9% less than any other group, which may suggest schools are accepting and graduating black students who are less qualified than their peers of other races.
Spackledgoat t1_iscufnp wrote
Reply to comment by napsXfactsXsnacks in Accepted (2021) - A school in Louisiana is celebrated for putting traditionally underserved students into Ivy League colleges, but an investigation uncovers its charismatic founder's controversial methods (CC) [01:22:56] by thesecondfire
Yeah, these qualified students who just completed no less then 7 years of post secondary education and hold a professional doctorate are being held back by bar prep availability.
Even if it’s just how prepared the students are, the average first year black law student has a GPA in the bottom 10% of their class. We can pretend that these students just have a tough life (even though, if I recall correctly, a large majority of black law students are from families with incomes in the top half of household incomes in the US and are 3x over represented than the general population for having parents with terminal degrees), or maybe the schools are admitting unqualified students to boost diversity numbers.
There’s a whole “mismatch theory” regarding the negative effects of putting unqualified students into academic environments and the negative effects of doing so. Really fascinating stuff.