SteppenAxolotl t1_jd0b7do wrote

>there's no really viable scenario for a tiny number of rich people to preserve all their wealth and power while exterminating the rest of the population through some covert scheme

Sounds like a failure of imagination.

Let’s err on the side of generosity and assume that countries won’t be building gas chambers to solve the problem of unwanted former labor, whether due to the exigencies of realpolitik or for first-order moral reasons. There are many ways to accomplish the same result without the burdens associated with such deliberate actions.

What would happen to the birth rate if the state provided a free unlimited supply of birria nachos, VR video games, three kinds of double IPA and 12 kinds of drugs?

>Dr. Yuval Noah Harari

>those who happened to be rich in 2025 get to stay rich forever

It always struck me as a kind of trap that you'll never be able to escape if you're poor due to the dynamics, the only off ramp is extinction.


SteppenAxolotl t1_j5hp001 wrote

I know those AI and robots will belong to someone. Do you think they will be any different than you. Do you have any plans to share your some of your investments with the lest fortunate. Why would you expect the companies that are investing billions to develop AI and robots will give you free stuff.

Try not to be too disappointed if reality chose not to conform itself to your wildest dreams.


SteppenAxolotl t1_j2b8aun wrote

Why do you think people are trained to hate the idea of the public owning the means of production. If AI+robots can satisfy all of their needs, there will be no more 1% because the masses no longer need to buy anything from them.

What is needed is a post-Marxist theory of post-technological political economy. One that is also a proof that the 1% elites of the current system can only be maintained by the systematic oppression and exploitation of workers, and cannot survive once the people acquire the self-replicating means of production.


SteppenAxolotl t1_j208evq wrote

It doesn't matter who controls it, they're afraid the future will look like the present and the past.

The structure of all political economies tend to produce certain results. A system that wants to survive wont permit situations that will allow people to not participate en mass. Most people on this sub wants their own pet AGI that will allow them the agency to materially survive without depending on anyone else. They want to free themselves of the one thing society exists to provide, society evaporates when that dependency is broken.


SteppenAxolotl t1_j0r3jt4 wrote

That dynamic has nothing to do with social contracts. That is simply the natural outcome of capitalism in the case of ending up in a mansion. Ending up in prison is simply the natural outcome of wanting a nice life and being too lazy or stupid to create those conditions yourself, taking it from those that can is the easiest pathway.


SteppenAxolotl t1_iu1zmko wrote

We're in the beginning of the age where the labors of the poorly educated masses are no longer necessary. The approaching problem of this age is how to humanely deal with large unwanted populations that serve no useful function, the depraved economic imperative encouraging endless population growth by those that can't cope with change should be resisted by all means.


SteppenAxolotl t1_irjbb5y wrote

>Are people in democratic states safe?


A singleton manipulated by a stable genius could lead to a stable and eternal totalitarian regime. 74 million Americans would cheer the establishment of such a system, but they would never be able to undo it later.

The Third Reich wasn't stable and eternal, but the Nazis party and Hitler were voted into power.

>On 30 January 1933, Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany, the head of government, by the president of the Weimar Republic, Paul von Hindenburg, the head of state. The Nazi Party then began to eliminate all political opposition and consolidate its power. Hindenburg died on 2 August 1934, and Hitler became dictator of Germany by merging the offices and powers of the chancellery and presidency. A national referendum held 19 August 1934 confirmed Hitler as sole Führer (leader) of Germany. All power was centralised in Hitler's person and his word became the highest law.

All that was needed was a superintelligent AI giving effective advise and the outcome could have been different, the Thousand-Year Reich instead of the 12-Year Reich .


SteppenAxolotl t1_iqytf77 wrote

>e.g. We can buy hand sanitizer, cellphones, internet access, computers, rocket packs, 3D printers etc.

That largely depends on who you are and where you live.

Just add 0.01$ to 1$, 1.90$ or the 2.00$ cutoff and you're no longer in extreme poverty, but you're still grindingly poor. You can buy a cell phone for $4, but you're still grindingly poor. How much does the quality of your life change if you go from 2.00$/day to 3.00$/day. Those are certainly changes, are they meaningful changes given you're looking at a timespan covering most of a working life time. Is a cell phone and some hand sanitizer sufficient if you're born in extreme poverty and you die in regular poverty.


SteppenAxolotl t1_iqxpkw0 wrote

You must wait until you get to heaven to be rewarded.

>Servants, obey your masters in everything. Obey all the time, even when they can’t see you. Don’t just pretend to work hard so that they will treat you well. No, you must serve your masters honestly because you respect the Lord. In all the work you are given, do the best you can. Work as though you are working for the Lord, not any earthly master.

>Remember that you will receive your reward from the Lord, who will give you what he promised his people.