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WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1yftqe wrote
Reply to comment by Dr_Adequate in The Heritage Foundation data sources contradict its report that the US city with the 30th highest rate of homicide was 2.4 / 100K. One of their referenced sources- "CHR&R" (footnote 25) - has more than 1K counties with higher homicide rates. Here's that data. Relevant links are in the comments. [OC] by quantuminous
Thanks for the response, but you kind of prove my point. There is no South-side or Chicago in Hawaii, that is why there is, um, no murder rates like in the south side. Winetka is exposed to the same 'filtering' of firearms and doesn't have the murder rate. I doubt the drive up I-94 is the real issue...
So across Illinois you hold the gun laws constant but you get vastly different murder rates. So gun laws aren't the driver of murder rates.
As to the rights issue, the right recognized by the 2A is THE RIGHT that all others depend on. You might not like that or recognize it, but it it true. The 1A is the right to think and say what you want, and the 2A is "no seriously, I get to say and think what I want."
WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1tm767 wrote
Reply to School Shootings in the US 1970-2022 Committed by Students [OC] (interactive version in comment) by data_n_stuff
It looks like the vertical is by date during the year. I think it would be more impactful and informative to put the most impactful ones down the 'center line' so that you could see the change in the number of victims per incident. Although, if this is by chronological order, it would seem the most violent attacks are later half of the year, though Columbine wasn't in the middle of year, April?
WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1tjb22 wrote
Reply to comment by Dr_Adequate in The Heritage Foundation data sources contradict its report that the US city with the 30th highest rate of homicide was 2.4 / 100K. One of their referenced sources- "CHR&R" (footnote 25) - has more than 1K counties with higher homicide rates. Here's that data. Relevant links are in the comments. [OC] by quantuminous
Then why aren't the guns causing mayhem in Indiana? I'm always surprised when the anti-civil rights people use Indiana as a scapegoat for the issues in Chicago when in reality, it totally disproves their points- gun control laws don't control behavior and the guns aren't crux of the problem, otherwise cities in Indiana would have similar issues to Chicago. The people pushing 20th century failed 'gun control' theory often play with the aggregation level- state or sometimes city, when the problem is far more focused. Dilution is the solution when it comes to hiding violent crime. Bruen is bringing an end to the failed 'gun control' laws and will force our society to face the real causes and solutions to violence.
WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1z9glq wrote
Reply to comment by Dr_Adequate in The Heritage Foundation data sources contradict its report that the US city with the 30th highest rate of homicide was 2.4 / 100K. One of their referenced sources- "CHR&R" (footnote 25) - has more than 1K counties with higher homicide rates. Here's that data. Relevant links are in the comments. [OC] by quantuminous
Thanks again for the engagement, but when are you going to realize that the wishing away of guns isn't going to solve the problem? I admire the persistence that just we are one more gun law away from solving the problem, but how much failure of past laws and the lack of addressing the current issues can you stand before you realize that we are not going to legislate this away by focusing on things? A war on guns is going to be as successful as a war on drugs. If you want to focus on deaths with guns, disarming and restricting law abiding people is counterproductive. You need to go after the mentally unstable and the gang violence- and really you need to go after the issues around our lack of respect for life. Unfortunately, you can't legislate those.