XonikzD t1_jacqaan wrote

It might be due to where you are, propane is one of the most expensive options in my area. Cost per million BTUs as a point of reference, propane is like three times more expensive than my electricity usage even if I were using coil heaters, which I'm not. I use propane out in the barn and just the heat a 20wx20lx10h insulated loft for the weekend costs about as much as heating the entire house for the month.


XonikzD t1_jacmn4w wrote

Heat pumps are designed to operate with a 40° change in temperature as their primary operation for those efficiency and price per month costs listed on the packaging. If it's negative 20° outside and you have to triple their primary operation power to pull heat from outside then, yeah, it uses pricey electricity. Even with the CMP rate hikes, it's still a less expensive source of heat in a well insulated location than any other automatic option.

Burning wood is cheaper.


XonikzD t1_jacknw7 wrote

I have a 1600 square foot house built in 1910 on pier and skirt foundation with block and brick at points, insulation is key here. We keep the house at 64° in the winter time and things get a little chilly due to insulation inconsistencies in the old walls. If OP is throwing real numbers here, then insulation or potentially an open air gap is causing his loss of heat and increase in bill. The electric company also doubled the cost of electricity between 2019 and today.


XonikzD t1_jack9ne wrote

Something's fishy, $100 in natural gas or propane would not heat a two bedroom house at 60° temperatures for a week. If it did, then you need to look and see if somebody left a window open upstairs in your attic or something this year.


XonikzD t1_jaciz45 wrote

Keep in mind, this dude was doing $300 a month in electricity before the install and running a boiler with whatever fuel source that used per month.

I did the same cycle with oil as our primary heat for the first year here and switched over to a heat pump. We had a $200 a month electric bill in the winter with oil heat and a $400 a month bill using all electric heat pumps for the entire house the next year at the same time with similar weather. The cost of oil, assuming it hadn't gone up at all over that time, would have been double that electricity cost.

Wood stoves are cheapest, but require work. Pellets are easier, but still work.

A single pellet stove will burn a 40 lb bag of pellets in a day and use electricity to run the blower. That average's out and about $8 for one pellet stove to operate a day. You'd have to run fans or something throughout a large house to get the heat from a central location to your separate rooms. If you're using ducted fans then that's an extra electricity cost on top of the pellet heater. Assuming my heat pump runs constantly on a 0° day, it uses 48 KW a day. At CMP rates with their normal billing option, that is about 12 bucks a day. Thanks to CMP's new cost per kilowatt it is not the cheapest solution for house heat in Maine, but it will heat your entire 1600 square foot house.


XonikzD t1_j3gx7tq wrote

One of the spatial orientation things that often gets overlooked or discarded in games is activity reflections. Irl if an activity is taking place behind you, the reflection of that activity is present on every surface around you, not just mirrors. This general surface reflectivity function is lost when the camera view is the only thing being rendered.


XonikzD t1_iy4ghoo wrote

I also am not a fan of Elon or his business practises or the mismanagement of EV marketing over the past two decades from him and any of the fanboys on that particular side of the playing field. I also, however, have been around long enough to know that each vehicle and each "fuel source" will have its proponents and its naysayers and eventually everything works out to whatever the easiest possible method is for getting something done with the appropriate tool at hand. I think every single one of these should be developed to their extent and the market should decide which one is the easiest thing to work with for the desired outcome and desired cost.


XonikzD t1_iy3s8q6 wrote

If it's about point of use variables and if all production, transport, and useage "carbon impact" costs were equal, then hydrogen is great for personal transport. Unfortunately, production and transport aren't equal. Applications like jet fuel where hydrogen is part of a controlled reaction for thrust are way different that hydrogen applications in vehicles where hydrogen is part of the electrical discharge process to power electrical batteries that then deliver energy for motors. In the EV Vs Hydrogen dialogues online most people seem to think that hydrogen cars and busses are "burning" hydrogen and that is not the case.