Zucc_Boi_ t1_j290cda wrote

It really isn't. In terms of foreign policy, Israel's center-left governments were consistently better performing, and that includes Iran as a threat. In case you're not following, Israel's right wing parties' PR is dominantly focused on internal security, with 2nd place being playing on the feelings of the poor.

Iran is a serious threat to Israel, not a boogeyman. Hence every party takes a strong stance vs it.


Zucc_Boi_ t1_j28y60r wrote

Israel and Russia are not friends, more like "we're enemies, but we have other things to focus on". Unlike Europe-Russia dynamics, there are many factors at play that decide how Israel-Russia relations progress. For both, it's impossible to just shut everything off and say "we're done talking". Europe can certainly afford such an approach.

Russia's and Iran's mutual arms deals plus Israel's aid to Ukraine are definitely putting a strain on Israeli-Russian relations, but it would take a lot more than that to sever their ties.

Think of it as a more complex version of US-China relations. Both are actively taking military actions against one another, but trade continues.


Zucc_Boi_ t1_iugvxq0 wrote

>If you want to be pedantic, fine. Otherwise:




>Israel failed to the toe the line of their supporters.

>There are other examples of similar, but that is a fairly recent time.

>Then, of course there is stuff like this:

You failed to address the fact that this (all are one case, not 3) was anticipated and coordinated with the US when Israel was seen as a potential mediator. As soon as mediation efforts broke down, Israel immediately switched to harshly criticizing Russia. But before any criticism, Israel was already providing Ukraine with humanitarian and material support.

Ukraine's decision, on the other hand, came as a surprise to everyone, and unlike Israel it did not abstain, but outright supported the resolution when the entire west didn't.

>Then, of course there is stuff like this:


How is that related to anything? Israel is defending itself, and so is Ukraine.

>My point, excluding the voting, stands however.

>Both Israel and Ukraine rely on foreign powers, Israel for much longer than Ukraine. Both countries express their own agency in politics as is their right.

>We are in the brink of a world war and genocide is being committed under our noses. “But they voted against us so…” shouldn’t even be on the table.

>Especially not for cultures that have been the victim of genocide in the past. There were many reasons given to not become directly involved in ending the holocaust, and I’m glad empathy and rationality won out.

Your point does not stand, because your only argument was proven to be false. Israel does not vote against its own allies, and does not go against them when it seeks their help, therefore Ukraine shouldn't antagonize its allies either. You can say it's just a vote, but it's also an expression of one's policies, and Ukraine is decidedly anti-Israel.


Zucc_Boi_ t1_iue3lx9 wrote

I'm not aware of such instance. Can you provide an example?

If the resolution at hand was consistent with Ukraine's current policies or Ukraine's vote in favor was driven by any security or political needs, fine. But it is neither consistent with its policies, nor does it assist it in any way. The resolution was passed in the UNGA, not UNSC, making it symbolical; was sponsored by some of the most pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine nations; and finally is about denuclearization of a country Ukraine depends on for assistance, while Ukraine itself suffers greatly from its own forced denuclearization.


Zucc_Boi_ t1_iue20ll wrote

What are you on about? If Ukraine wants to be anti-Israel, they should not demand Israel's support and rail on it for allegedly not providing any (despite the abundance of evidence of Israel's support). Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Certainly they shouldn't tell Israel that it should stand on the right side of history and then proceed to stand on the wrong side of history themselves at the UN.