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abcde__edcba t1_izkhvpz wrote

Yes, the links were direct links to the PDF docs themselves, they blocked those.

But you can still get to them via Lexington's website. If you go to https://lexingtonma.viewpointcloud.com/records/67918 then click on the "Files" tab, you'll see a list of documents you can download. Two of the ones I had linked to earlier are "Project Narrative" (and other links seem to open this same pdf), "Drainage Analysis and Stormwater Management Plan" has maps and 177410LT006-Certified.pdf which has very detailed drawings, maps and legends.

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abcde__edcba t1_izkg1ur wrote

I linked to plans above, but I guess a lof of people must've been using the direct links and they no longer works. You can still get to them from Lexington's website though

https://lexingtonma.viewpointcloud.com/records/67918 then click on the Files tab. You can download the same docs from there.

Take a look a the site plans you can see the distances, elevetaions, etc.

But that is not the only issue these people will deal with. Were it the only one, it'd be a non-issue really. There construction, maintenance, noise, drainage, etc. all to be taken into account when you live next to it.

You don't have to agree with me on whether they people are going to suffer or not, but I believe you and I do agree it's not just NOT be an issue at all.

By the way: the noise at 100ft at whatever dB is going to dependon on a lot of variables (other than distance), such as temperature, humidity, what's in between the source and the measurement location, altitude differences and whether it goes up or down the terrain matters too. So it'll very a lot, IF it happens (see I can even agree it might never be an issue). But if it does happen, it's not just clear cut with a simple calculation.

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abcde__edcba t1_izgw1n5 wrote

Lexington, a rich town, has a ton of green space where this can go in. Nope, they're doing it here, next door to people who live in another town, not theirs.

By the way, access to the site is going to be **through** one of those residences in Waltham. 119 Sherbourne Place is owned by the real estate place behind this project.

Why through their property on a residential neighborhood?

Because the state is very unlikley to let them build access to the site from the ramp from 2S to 128/95S. So it's easier to take the neighbors to court who eventually will run out of money for lawyers and legal fees. The state will just laugh and say "bring it on" and the state's ag will use it as another item in their resume next time their up for reelection.

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abcde__edcba t1_izgu7gt wrote

yes, people do vote like this. All the time. Most people don't bother or are too busy with their lives to research the details of what is presented to them in town meetings, etc.

Want proof? Read the comments in this thread and count how many of them talk about things like distnace from people's houses, or how the pointer in the map someone posted to is on the side closer to the highway and not the side closest to the houses, etc. None of them bothered to search for that information in any detail, even though the docs, some pdf docs with maps, plans an legends, clearly who this being built right up to these people's properties. Oh, and one of the homes is owned by the realty place behind the project, and the site access is via this one property's driveway.

People vote on dumb crap because it makes them feel good all the time.

I should know. I live in a town with a law that says if a tree in public land is taken down for any reaons, the town will plant 4 new trees to replace it. There is a fund to pay for the threes, the work to have them planted, and make sure they're supported by cables so they are safe until the roots grow and the tree can stand by itself and not fall with a wind, pay the works involved in the planting etc. etc, etc.

What could ever be possibly wrong with that? Is that not an aweseomthing?

The town can't plant any new trees! It has not public land where it can plant new trees! Parks? Nope! They're parks where children play, can't take the monkey bars out to plant a tree! What about side walks? Nope! We have very few sidewalks and they either already have trees on them or there are utlities goino over or under the sidewalks that keep them from planting tress there either! Well, public parking places? Nope, those already have all the tress they can fit without taking up any of the parking spaces!

it was such a great idea to pass a law that guarantees 4 new tree trees were planted every time they had to take one down for any reason, like the own that died because utlity work required destroying most of the roots of a over 200 year old tree, that __no one bothered to even look at whether it was possible to plant new trees in town!!!!__

But wait, there's more! We still have to take trees down for watever reasons. But we can't use those funds for anything else! We got millions in a fund that cannot be used by anything, other than planting tress that will never be planted.

So realy, do you really think people do not just vote for stuff because they feel good about it, even if it does not make sense?

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abcde__edcba t1_izgrzc1 wrote

This is all great and all until you buy a home and it happens to you.

I don't live there and it does affect me, but I am a homeowner and while nothing like this has happened to me, it has happened to a group of homeowners nearby (not as big of a project). I drove by almost daily on the way to and from work. I watched the hell these people were put through during the project and after trying to get the town and the contractors to actually do what they said they'd do and pay for remediation when the project was done.

This is the kind of thing that drive people to purchase property where it is very unlikely anything will ever be built next door, so they don't have to go through this sort of thing.

The location for this project has wetlands. Those people moved there because nothing could possibly be built on those wet lands. Now they found a way to build on the little bit of dry land in that spot. Lexington is huge. They have other places they can put this project in. The reason they do not is because their Lexington neighbors will not allow it to happen on their backyard.

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abcde__edcba t1_izgqhix wrote

I live in a town not to far from this place, but far enough not to have any skin in this game though.

We have a tree replacement fund, very well funded actually. Everytime a tree is taken down from public/protected land, say because it's grown too much and gotten too close to a cell tower, or working on utlities kills a public tree nearby because it damages too much of the roots, the city can use these funds to plant 4 new trees to replace it. Problem is, the town does not have any land where it can plant new trees anywhere because they're already filled up with trees.

People in town loved the idea of the fund and gladly passed the bylaws to get it setup up and passed the bylaws to enforce the rules, etc, etc, etc. But no one asked if it was possible to acutally plant any trees anywhere.

Well, what about in sidewalks? It's one of those towns with barely any sidewalks, and utilities run either under or above the few places where you can find those sidewalks.

Net result every time such a tree is taken down? Negative.

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abcde__edcba t1_izgpjc7 wrote

I have no skin in the game, I don't live anywhere near the place.

Have you ever heard the wining of a large power transformer when it's not in tip top shape?

I have. It can get quite loud, and it is not something you just have delivered in 2 days from amazon prime, even if you can afford the millions it costs to replace something like that.

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abcde__edcba t1_izgp7r3 wrote

But it makes the town's Net Zero plan, as ridiculous as it might be or not, sound awesome to constituents who vote those who approve these projects into office.

If you're scared that your grandchildren will live in a world that you compare to a literal hell, you gadly vote for these plans even if they don't make sense.

edited: added "will" up above because that is what I should have written to begin with.

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