andreaskrueger
andreaskrueger t1_iww5dkx wrote
Reply to comment by Dr_seven in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
Base failure/s ? Just one choice out of many:
Externalities. A glacier has no vote; a frog species finances no election campaign; a stable climate could not be voted for; the global dumpsters (atmosphere, oceans, etc) are free to use; cheap oil costs nothing but drilling refinery transport (and military) but neither the nonrenewability, nor the resulting pollution has to be paid for; (and without politics taxing all those, the economy misses out on that vital information completely, so it cannot deliver proper optimization); and almost no one gives AF about anything after the current election cycle - let alone future generations.
All the services that a no-longer-tame nature had delivered, were never in any government budget balance sheet.
So in short, we are losing literal INVISIBILITIES that only a tiny minority ever cared about, but which played zero role for everyone else.
"Minority" is a key observation here.
Diversity - what if the "base failure" is totally different, for different subgroups?:
I've watched plenty elections. The vast MAJORITY gets it all wrong. Each time. And still. Largely not even by their own thinking, but then they did not free themselves in time.
More (much more?) than three quarters of voters are just different shades of conservativism; perhaps that's why "democracy" has such horrible outcomes when completely new societal, technical, economic paradigms would have been needed instead? Only when the relevant timescales are longer than a human life, the situation might sometimes progress and improve, because old views can literally die out. And gerontocratic subsystems try hard to postpone that.
The ecological MINORITY has been growing, but much too slow. Perhaps only very recently out of the one-digit percentages? With its super slow growth, the biggest "base failure" of the ecological minority might have been ... in spite of better knowledge (and while time was running out) still believing in ...
the majority vote principle.
andreaskrueger t1_iwvrf9i wrote
Reply to comment by Dr_seven in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
Thanks a lot, that helped me much to clarify it. When I said "never functioned properly", I did not mean the self assessment of that system.
Of course, there are many "internal" purposes, of which you mention a few:
> purpose ... states...
> consolidate ... manage power ... resources ... people
> policy ... institutions
> national interest ...
> ...
But in light of our real challenges ALL those "internal purposes" are secondary or even tertiary. Who gives AF if a state 'has done its job just fine' when harvests are failing due to a forever-inhospitable nature.
Democracy might be good or not so good at tackling its own aspirations. But while it does, it is using up attention, trust, time, and resources.
And my implicit/suggested value (collectively binding decision structures should solve the most important collective challenges) is "external" to all that; it evaluates the political system not by its own self assessment, but by its objective failure - not having changed the apocalyptic direction of society.
By that criterion, (also) the democratic ideology is failing us miserably. And that made me say "not functioning properly".
> to fix this we need new structures
I completely agree.
andreaskrueger t1_iwvme53 wrote
andreaskrueger t1_iwvk9fe wrote
Reply to comment by ValyrianJedi in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
Yes, I agree. But then this 'entire purpose of democracy' might be the flaw that is going to cause the mass murder?
Whether a political ideology lives up to its own standards or not - is that really the most important overall criterion here?
"Internally", with its own expectations ("put the power in the hands of the people") it might seem to function, but that is not what my "not functioning properly" was all about!
THE ONLY governance system which could establish collectively binding decisions ...
(and which should have long ago already changed the direction of our current route towards annihilation, or at least mass death and massively deteriorated living conditions, for everyone but the very rich) ...
... has NOT been solving the biggest collective issues.
So it is not "functioning properly".
shrug
andreaskrueger t1_iwv629i wrote
Reply to comment by Yetanotherone4 in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
I don't think, creative accounting will set you free.
The basis is physics. Measure the share of responsibility by counting the fraction of molecules of anthropogenic CO2 that are causing the mass death.
And atmospheric CO2 is long lived. Plus, past emissions have already deteriorated the capacity of absorption of the natural system (e.g. acidic oceans will capture less and less additional CO2 emissions), so earlier emissions have even compounding effects.
andreaskrueger t1_iwv5jme wrote
Reply to comment by ValyrianJedi in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
You are caught up in a logical loop.
Yes, a vast number of people has no clue nor do they care (or are manipulated). And by the construction of democracy itself (e.g. majority voting) that has then been leading to this type of governance "not functioning properly"; the biggest problems stayed unsolved. Ergo most likely outcome is apocalyptic.
andreaskrueger t1_iwuwrj3 wrote
Reply to comment by cattywompapotamus in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
[China's cumulative responsibility per capita is still rather small; only a recent "catching up" with the most destructive countries (who set the stage, and thus forced everyone to copy their wrong ways). E.g. pause this video here in 1999: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o-LQ8SJh0q4&t=3m15s and remember their population is X times bigger. All this is only a side issue though, the main fraction of additional CO2 in Earth's atmosphere now ... originated from "democratic" countries.]
Hmmm ... if all types of governance that have been tried are "not functioning properly" (as they failed to solve our most urgent problems) - then that includes democracy too - right?
> rooted in ...
Yes of course. But which other system than (whatever flavour of) POLITICS ... would be responsible to CHANGE THAT, in face of the apocalyptic prospects of business as usual?
So you would generalize it: No type of (at least all PAST versions of) governance has ever "functioned properly"?
andreaskrueger t1_iwuqi7p wrote
Reply to comment by Souchirou in For world philosophy day 13 thinkers share the philosophical questions that will define this century | Including Noam Chomsky on destruction, Naomi Oreskes on climate crisis and Carissa Veliz on innovation by IAI_Admin
Democracy has never "functioned properly" for at least 50 years, as it hasn't solved its most urgent task - of preventing climate change. (E.g. 10 US presidents failed to act appropriately since being fully informed already 1965.)
Quite the opposite - the ecological catastrophe has been created and accelerated especially by the most "democratic" countries.
The death toll that the 20th century version of that non functioning political system is going to cause in the 21st and 22nd century... will beat all lethal ideologies of that horrible past century combined.
andreaskrueger t1_jcwknj9 wrote
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What is the total amount of hydrogen, in all of Earth's air?
Multiply by the Joule of usable electric energy per one hydrogen in that "Huc" process.
Then divide by yearly electricity consumption of humanity.
(Multiply by 100 if you want to give it in percent).
Please. Thanks.