It's also not a big news type of finding so if they were going to make it up, it likely wouldn't be something this minor.

They also provided some specifics which usually means not only that the story is likely true but that they very direct evidence.

Over half of century of building connections and networks, a very large number of employees, and the best tech. Sometimes it's surprising to hear what intel they have learned and sometimes it's surprising to hear they didn't know about something that they should have known.

The low grade caviar that's 2 years past the expiration date.

> If so many people are saying the same thing you should open to the possibility that the idea has merit.

If it's only coming from one group, it means it's propaganda. The "so many people" just means CCP apologist who consumer Chinese state media as their main source.

> The CCP clearly fears mass media

Yes, all dictatorships and one party systems fear truth so they control news and information.

>History is full of examples of powerful people manipulating the masses with simple messages to a devastating result.

Yes, just look at Communist China!! Or Nazi Germany. Or Russia today and USSR in the past!

>This happens not only against communism (which had been under attack by powerful people for decades before the creation of the CCP btw)

I thought you would be smart enough on the topic to know that USSR also did the same. The first communist country.

Simply amazes me the lies and misleading statements someone will keep making.

>I'm not sure why it's so hard to accept I don't have one prefered source of media, I mostly read whatever I see on Reddit

Confirmed, your main sources are just the CCP media or any news that you want to cherry pick in favor of China. This is a common tactic by all the people like you -- not just CCP apologist but communist, alt-right, etc and those that have been brainwashed such as in Russia, China, North Korea, etc.

Again, it's exactly what all of you do. You won't ever acknowledge the sources you trust most because you understand that people will know you use questionable sources. Or worse, you name an actual valid and reasonable source, the other person will just point you to many stories in that source that will prove you wrong and you will have to accept those facts or admit you lied.

>I don't think your distrust of independent journalists is warranted.

I don't have distrust on all of them. Some are good. But it's clear when someone is acting like you are that you are very likely using terrible indepdent journalist that have an extreme bias for your side.

>There are thousands upon thousands of people reporting on the positive and negative aspects of everyday life in China. Just go on YouTube and search around for videos of life in China, it's clear that there is no cohesive narrative being driven

Youtube isn't allowed in China. So what they are posting has to have at least the indirect approval of the CCP or else they will get in trouble. Brainwashed people like those under China's firewall might think the reason they can't find any youtuber inside of China posting negative things is because there are no negatives things in China. Everyone else knows that it's because their is direct and indirect censorship. Post positive videos, stay safe. Post negative videos, risk being punished. Post a negative video about hot topic issues like the Uyghur genocide, get sent to prison.

> I think they fear foreign propaganda being used on their citizens

Literally what every CCP apologist says. That's literally what every person who is defending the brainwashing of people say -- about Russia, North Korea, China, etc.

It is not fear of foreign propaganda or else they wouldn't have 100% pro CCP content and allow no criticism no protest that could be a political threat to the CCP.

>and given the history of antagonism against communist countries it's not a far fetched idea.

But they all literally did that on day one of being communist. So you're argument is horrible.

Brain washed populations don't know they are being brainwashed. Just look at Russia and you can see how quickly they got brainwashed. China has been doing that for over 70 years.

>I read whatever media I can get my hands on and try to evaluate it critically

Why can't you be specific? What is the media you mostly use and which ones do you trust the most? That doesn't mean you have to believe 100% of everything from those sources but there are sources we each believe more than other sources.

It's not hard to answer unless your a typical CCP apologist who leaves it vague because we all know it's CCP media you trust the most or some media that is always defending the CCP like the grayzone.

>The most honest journalism I've found is in small time independent journalists who are free to report whatever they'd like

Often those paid by Russia or China's governments.

What is the purpose of the CCP controlling all media? Is it not to control the people?

To support /u/Xanthis about how the CCP uses that control of media and informaiton to spread only their propaganda, your replies to me in the other comment were very much in line with the CCP and ignoring all actual evidence. You claimed that millions of Mulsims in Xinjiang haven't been sent to some type of camps and asked for evidence-- we already know there is plenty of evidence out there so if you need to ask for evidence, it means you are just repeating what the CCP and it's media says.

In addition, you defended China's aggrssive actions in the South China Sea as it attempt to take control by building fake islands and placing military on it then claiming the seas.

You also defended China's government threatening to invade of Taiwan and even lied with " as far as I know the Chinese government pushes for peaceful reunification, not invasion." Is that why Xi said they would use force if peaceful methods don't work? Is that why China surrounded Taiwan and shot missiles near and over the country after an American politician visited?

You also defended China's executions of thousands each year.

And of course, you defended China's support for and alliance with Russia. Stating "due to geography China is inextricably tied to Russia and hurting that relationship would hurt the Chinese citizens. " No, that's not at all what's happening. Before the invasion Russia and China made a friendship pact with "no limits". China's government has also helped Russia spread Russian disinformation while censoring lots of pro Ukraine content. What would be better for China is to not alienate the west which represents over 50% of the trade with China so by teaming up with Russia, by threatening to invade Taiwan, and by trying to steal the South China Sea, China's government is actually hurting the citizens of China.

So what news media do you typically use?

> The first point is false,

of course you would say. That proves EVERYTHING. You are just blindly defending the CCP and unable to criticize them.

>if millions were actually in concentration camps the evidence would make it obvious,

There is lots of evidence. Let me guess, you only accept CCP media or accept only what the CCP says?

What media sources do you use??

> You have a warped view of China in your head

What part of /u/womanmind was wrong? Are any of the following not true?

1. China is committing crimes against humanity against Uyghurs and other Muslims in Xinjiang. Sending millions to camps where many are tortured and all are brain washed.

2. China is currently trying to steal the South China Sea by building artificial islands and placing military on it. They then aggressively try to push others out.

3. China has made threats to invade peaceful Taiwan and appears to be planning for such an invasion.

4. China executes about 2,000 people a year

5. China has sided with Russia in it's illegal invasion of Ukraine. And Russia is committing horrible war crimes. China pretends to not side with Russia yet refuses to blame Russia but has blamed the west. China also helps Russia spread misinformation in support of Russia while they have at times censored pro-Ukraine content and their media takes only pro Russia stance.

I took the OP''s comment as referring to the government of China.

He's basically saying that Uyghurs and other Muslims aren't being treated as 2nd class citizens with many rounded up into camps. He's basically saying the Chinese government doesn't control the media and information inside of China or he's arguing that it's not bad to do so. he's basically arguing that the govt doesn't have a massive surveillance system that is also used to arrest people who might be a threat to the political system.

China knows the science and yet they don't have hospitals ready, are out of many medicines, and did a complete reopening rather than progressive opening knowing omicron is very contagious?

Sounds to me like you made up some BS to defend China.

edit: Oh, saw your other comments. You're the type unable to ever criticize the government of China.

China went from one extreme to another extreme. They went from zero-covid for far too long then opened up quickly without being prepare. Seems that for the past 3 years Xi never made any plans for when he would re-open China and then under pressure from protests and from the business community, instead of a slow re-opening like many other countries in that region, Xi just opened the flood gates without having the hospitals ready, the medication, etc. I wouldn't be surprise if he did it as punishment to the people.

Great point! They really need to invest in that.

Wait until you hear how cops in Brazil kill far more people than in the US. nearly 10x the rate (adjusted for population).

Post an article about Lula and it will always draw the very left wing crowd that will automatically defend anything Lula and take the opportunity to criticize the US.

all his comments are defending China. Given every response to him got downvoted, he must have came here as part of brigade.

all his comments are defending China. Given every response to him got downvoted, he must have came here as part of brigade.

all his comments are defending China. Given every response to him got downvoted, he must have came here as part of brigade.

Yeah, all his comments are defending China. Given every response to him got downvoted, he must have came here as part of brigade.

So you're saying it will be illegal to just simply go outside with a poster to protest? And the UK is every country as well?

All countries do have some limitations on protest -- but come on, you are seriously a CCP apologist to suggest UK and every other country is on par with China on their limits of protest/assembly.

Is you’re username a reference to wanting China to return to Hujintao?

You have to be a full on CCP apologist to suggest they extend China goes to stop protesters is “what any country does”. China is currently now tracking down protesters and threatening them. UK has freedom of protests, China will send you to prison for holding up a white paper.