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clce t1_j6kxphs wrote

Yeah, that's probably true. Besides that, I don't think you can just avoid a whole lawsuit by slipping over the border. It's maybe a bit of a romance fantasy, maybe echoing the western trope of someone being pursued by the police and making it across the county line or more significantly across the Rio grande. I find it hard to imagine that back in the wild West, at sheriff posse or military contingent would simply let you go because you crossed the border. Much more likely they would hunt you down, string you up, and return your body and say they caught you just shy of the border. But it makes for a good movie scene

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clce t1_j6k5xik wrote

I read a lengthy article about it. I don't remember the details well enough but the impression I got was that he may well have been innocent. I see nothing else in his history that would make me think he was particularly predatory. But on the other hand, a lot of rich and powerful men back then did feel pretty entitled in regards to women and I can't have or couldn't have. But as I recall, there was one or two elements about his accusers that made it sound pretty suspect.

So all I can say is, if he were innocent, it is a real shame that he lost his career and we lost great entertainer

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clce t1_j6jvzv2 wrote

And more importantly, see how your eyes and face move. Especially with a silent film. Granted, a lot of it was broad physical comedy because it had to be. Arbuckle was amazingly agile for his bulk and an extremely talented physical actor. But he also relied a lot on his comic facial expressions. Keaton did not, drawing much of his comedy mainly from his having no expressions which is I guess why he is pretty much plain pancake looking like Mark Zuckerberg whereas Arbuckles make up is designed to show all of his expressions .

Arbuckle was quite charismatic looking and had very nice eyes and if I'm remembering right, would be able to draw great comedy out of using his eyes like the female film stars of the era, fluttering and other typically feminine use

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clce t1_j6jv6k7 wrote

He actually had a rather handsome charismatic baby face. I think he would also be considered charismatic in general, but much of it was his appearance. I don't think he would have been mere as successful without that. But on the other hand, he was a true comic genius both in what he came up with, but also his sense of physical movement and timing. I think he is sadly and criminally underappreciated these days

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clce t1_j6juog0 wrote

In regards to the appearance, it was makeup and their clothes also reveal that they were in the middle of filming. I can't say they were necessarily filming something together but Keaton in Arbuckle did work together and it seems they were either doing something together or on set together doing different things maybe. But these were not their normal clothes and this certainly wouldn't be how they would walk around in public. It's just heavy stage makeup. Without words you have to rely on your facial expressions and there weren't a lot of detailed close-ups to be had.. now Keaton was always a little bit odd looking. That's part of his humorous appeal. Especially when he started doing the deadpan no smiling.

Our buckle in normal appearance was actually very handsome and charismatic at least for someone carrying that much weight in their face. But he was quite handsome and charismatic in terms of public perception. The other guy I don't know but I don't imagine he always wore a beard. This was probably some kind of clown tramp makeup. It looks a lot like Emmett Kelly and his famous hobo clown look

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clce t1_j6jtgwk wrote

That makes sense. Of course, also just good weather, cheap land, and as I've heard, not too far from the Mexican border just in case they had to avoid lawsuit process service. That last might be a bit fanciful, but I kind of like it

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clce t1_j6jt8b2 wrote

Exactly right. Especially in silent film where you had to convey meaning, emotion, and humor with just your body, movements and especially facial expressions, you had to make sure that the audience, stage or film could pick up on your expressions

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clce t1_j6jssxh wrote

This is great. Looks like a nerdy dress up guy, his popular frat boy brother and their film school cousin. But I love these old timers. Our buckle doesn't really get the recognition he deserves these days. Recently watched a short, about 20 minutes, of him with buster Keaton. Keaton was the waiter and Arbuckle was the cook. My God he was a brilliant physical actor, and the bits and stunts they created was a whole new level of genius. We tend to be very verbal and most appreciate comedians or funny scripts. But to think how a human can watch another human not say a word but tell a story and be so funny is just amazing

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clce t1_j6jro5t wrote

Within reason of course. But I agree. This isn't shooting peaceful protesters at a Vietnam or civil rights march. This was to quell the disorder. And it's worth noting that just because the vehicle has a machine gun on it doesn't mean they were indiscriminately mowing down crowds. I have no way of knowing but it may well be the machine gun wasn't even in commission. It would take a pretty significant top-down order to open fire with a machine gun I'm quite sure

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clce t1_j6jr0as wrote

That's a rather erroneous statement. There's no specific values of your country. It is either a lawful order or not a lawful order. Granted, it's sometimes hard to tell, but there is very specific military training on what is and is not a lawful order based on a lot of different factors figured out by very smart and knowledgeable lawyers and experts.

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clce t1_j6jqgdp wrote

I can certainly see that perspective. But I think it's a legitimate counter argument to say that they were being used to maintain order which is a legitimate use of the state police powers. We're not talking some Vietnam protest that the powers that be want to bust up. We're talking chaos in the streets and if I live there, your damn right I would want the government to restore order. I guess cool is somewhat relative, but I don't see any shame in someone's dad serving his country and helping to bring law & order and posing with a big ass gun while doing it.

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clce t1_j6jpxl5 wrote

Yeah, but anti-war protests were not typically put down by the national guard. Plenty of riot gear police, but they're not shooting middle class white kids for protesting the war. Kent State was very tragic of course, but it wasn't national guard brought out to put down a riot. It was national guard protecting a building or something, and a tragic overreaction when one or more of the probably young poorly trained guardsman felt too threatened and fired when they shouldn't have .

But I think most people aren't that aware of some of the riots of the late '60s. They were a complete breakdown of order and the national guard including guns were brought out to try to restore order.

I make no judgment on the whole thing. Just a historic observation.

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