cwdawg15 t1_iujoha0 wrote

Well first and most importantly, I'm not sure how to take your argument as I never made any statement one way or another on what seemingly seems to be a rebuttal using a negative as a form of correction.

It's a western Christian holiday and the US is largely a country settled by western Christians in the early days, so most of the US follows the holiday. That makes it an American holiday in my book, although the US is by far not the only ones that follow it or the origin of the holiday.

The US has put its own spin on how the holiday is celebrated and spread those customs to other parts of the world too, so the topic is a bit less white or black in that there is a two-way spread of cultural customs.


cwdawg15 t1_iujev2d wrote

Things like this sadden me.

I think it's good that we somewhat create the basis for a global culture where we all communicate better and share some traditions and habits.

However, it shouldn't come from a framework where one holiday overpowers the influence of another culturally unique holiday.

It's the cultural variations that make the world world more interesting.


cwdawg15 t1_iqx2vcu wrote

It’s a good point, but it’s widely used throughout Germany and it was the German settlers that brought it from the coast across most of the Midwest.

-burg does have distant Dutch origins and is used in some Dutch names, but it’s also pervasively used across Germany more than the Dutch use it.

German city names: Hamburg, Strasburg, duiesburg, Ludwigsburg, wurzburg, coburg, Marburg, Wolfsburg, brandenburg, flensburg, Oldenburg, oranienburg, You also get a wide variety of -berg in Germany.

Other common German suffixes are -heim, -feld, -hausen, -stadt, -haven. These are less common in America, but can happen on occassion.

There is a Oostburg Wisconsin and that is a very, very Dutch name and that area was settled by the Dutch. Most of the earlier Dutch settlements were in NY and NJ along the coasts and they don’t frequently use -burg, but there is a decent amount of -berg and berg- that could likely be attributed to the Dutch over Germany.


cwdawg15 t1_iqwbluj wrote

This is actually a fascinating subject.

The suffixes on many names in the US are European based naming standards abbreviated and shortened. The use of them has something to say about where our country was when these cities were founded.

-ton & -town is British based. -ton is a shorterned -town. Hampton would be the Town of Hamp and it likely had some relationship with another city or person named Hamp or Hamp is an abbreviation of a longer name. -boro is another such English name. It was also common practice to put the type of place at the end in English city names. The name of a river, mountain, creek, woods, so -mont, -port, -wood, -land, -hills was a direct alteration to the naming standards English used to describe what their town was through the name. -mouth would also be the mouth of a river.

-burg is German for castle. Many Germanic cities had small castles that were the banks of their day to protect the cities valueables, so -burg stuck as an informal name for a small city. The areas where these are mapped goes into the Midwest where Germans heavily settled the area.

-ville is very important in American history. It is pervasive throughout the east coast and eastern midwest. Any area with towns settled in the few decades after the success of the American Revolutionary war gave a great deal of praise to France for their assistance. It comes from the name for a French town Ville. So Lawrenceville is Ville Du Lawrence, the Town of Lawrence. It was likely founded by someone with the last name Lawrence, but the Ville came from Americans trying to shed names from Britain, like -ton, and thanking the French for their assistnace. Sadly, because of the linguistic differences between French and English many often take -ville to sound antiquated, substandard, backwards, etc... But it actually has its roots from a very important piece of American history and was to thank the French for their help.