"You finding it boring says a lot about you and your ability to think about these things."

Okay, a few things here.

I said that she keeps the film morally in check and that without her, the film doesn't shine a light on the bad and illegal stuff going on in the world. If I didn't have the ability to think about these things, I wouldn't of made that point.

Secondly, I think it's naive to say that people don't know this sort of stuff goes down. I would take a guess and say that you are probably aware that a lot of shady shit goes on around the world. There's literally thousands of films, TV series, video games and books that touch on this subject in a number of different ways. And the reality is that this stuff does go down all over the world, there's bad guys, and bad guys to fight the bad guys.

And in terms of "I'm fine with it or don't want to think about it", I don't know how you can read my mind but no, I don't think that these things that happen in the world are morally right or justifiable under the guise of 'cool black ops shit', but I can however acknowledge that it goes on in terms of the films narrative. I don't really understand how you can say that to a stranger on the internet, I mean, are you doing anything in your life to think about and make changes on the subject of torture, the drug trade? If so, great, but I highly doubt it, so that's kind of a put your money where your mouth is statement to say to me that "I'M fine with it".

I agree that it is a morality tale, but sometimes you don't need someone to hold your hand throughout the film to state or constantly show you that what's going on is wrong or immoral. That's what frustrated me about Kate in the film, her consistently every ten minutes reminding the audience that what's going on isn't okay just felt like pandering at times. That's my only very small complaint about the film.

In the second film, I cannot fathom how anyone could watch the film and not think that you know what they're doing is illegal or immoral. The scene where Alejandro guns down that politician or lawyer in the street should immediately jump out at you. I mean, if you placed Kate or someone who had to play the role of the morality police in the second film, I highly doubt it would of been a better film.

And to be honest, the fact that Kate is defeated in the first film and there isn't someone in the second film doing the same thing speaks volumes more to me in terms of morality, because it shows that this is a constant revolving door in the world of endless violence and immoral acts and that there aren't enough morally "good" people like Kate who can get high enough (position wise) to stop these sorts of things from happening or make real change.

Great film!

Hell yeah man, look up Sicario 3, the films been confirmed and I believe it's in production!

I'll start ZeroZeroZero :)

In my opinion the second one is amazing.

I think you enjoy it much more if you're invested in Matt and Alejandro's characters. Their black ops romance lol.

Yeah, I can see that.

Although, the whole plot in the first film was to cause enough noise to bring the main guy in to the light so they could get him.

Yeah, Alejandro single handedly handing out vengeance on the bad guy and his family wasn't in line with the rest of the film, where they're all in properly commanded groups.

But tbh, I think it was to justify how much Alejandro and his family suffered at the hands of the bad guy, hence him being this super bad ass who was hell bent on revenge and had the skills to back it up.

Yeah it's a brilliant film.

I recommended it to a few friends but I don't know, they didn't experience it the way I did.

I genuinely think it's a masterpiece.

Damn.

I mean, I get the whole Kate is through the looking glass with the whole black ops stuff, but it just felt so boring to me. I mean, they set out that the film is under the radar black ops, dirty work that no one sees that we all know goes on.

But as an informed FBI agent, she just felt too goody goody.

I mean, she keeps the film morally in check in terms on the plot, but everytime she kept repeating how it was wrong etc I just rolled my eyes.

I mean I do get it, but it didn't seem to fit the film.

But tbh, without her, it doesn't emphasise what the black ops guys are doing is wrong/illegal.

I do see your point, and tbh, if she didn't highlight how their actions are "wrong", I guess I wouldn't of seen the sequel as "oh shit, this world is dark".

Thanks for the suggestions!

I'll take a look at the ones I haven't seen. From that list I haven't seen five out of all the films you listed.

I'll have a watch and report back, thanks.

Also, City of God (recommended it to a friend but they didn't want to watch because of subtitles lol) Heat, The Departed, The Town are 10/10, never watched Traffic but will add it to my list!

I'm intrigued.

Why don't you count the second film?

Is it solely based on the script? And the original script for what, the first or second film?