delinquentfatcat t1_izdkk8e wrote

This is also incorrect, his gun was already in Wisconsin. He lived next to the state boundary -- an accident of geography. We're not North Korea and you're allowed to visit your friend 20 miles away, even if that happens to be another state. Mentioning the state border serves no purpose here, other than making him sound nefarious for no legitimate reason.

I initially thought Rittenhouse is a villain. This story is exactly why I don't trust the public and the media to decide who is bad and who isn't.


delinquentfatcat t1_izdbdb8 wrote

The story about the gun being out of state is yet another myth that was debunked in court:

As for him having "no business" showing up, this happened at a time when the authorities refused to protect public safety, throwing small business owners and employees under the bus. But yes, after all the trauma and being unpersoned by half the country, he could end up in the company of legit extremists. If this happens, it will be yet another sad outcome.


delinquentfatcat t1_izd5ajd wrote

I don't disagree with you about Trump. However, "we all know" is one of the most dangerous phrases ever spoken (no accident that Trump uses it often). We = the mob, which can be wrong and often is.

The case of OJ was probably a miscarriage of justice, but the case was tainted by a detective shown to have bias against black people. For this reason alone, many would not sign off under "we all know" and he was acquitted.

Another example is Kyle Rittenhouse. Slandered as a white supremacist by President Biden and the entire left-leaning press, expelled from uni, received death threats etc. because of what supposedly "everyone knew", until eventually cleared of all charges and mischaracterizations based on extensive evidence.


delinquentfatcat t1_izd2cuo wrote

If Trump is all of these things, he should be tried, convicted and sentenced for it (and this is already happening). However, persecution of people we don't like by arbitrary decree is never okay in a democracy. Such a mentality leads to witch hunts and lynch mobs.


delinquentfatcat t1_izd1f2y wrote

Some hateful downvotes. As much as Trump is a cancer, it's still wrong for a governor (and an egregious misuse of his authority) to declare who can visit the state that elected him and be granted basic police protection.

Arguments "but he's bad!" fall apart once society goes on a witch hunt, and we've seen this many times before. The courts should deal with the bad, not the mob.


delinquentfatcat t1_iyknzbb wrote

"911, there is a suspicious vehicle."
"What's suspicious about it?"
"Uh, the license plate has some dirt on it."
"Please call 311 and stop bothering us."

Or, refuse to elaborate and hang up in hopes they do something. But they might send a bomb squad or antiterrorist team, and things may escalate not in the intended way, also may have negative consequences for the caller. (Although on a karmic level, these assholes absolutely deserve a visit from a SWAT team.)


delinquentfatcat t1_iykmebc wrote

What happens if the whistleblower called 911 instead? Saying something like the car looks suspicious. (Not advocating for this, as it may be misconstrued as something more dangerous and misappropriate emergency resources. OTOH, calling 311 seemed to not work at all here.)


delinquentfatcat t1_iyc7xzq wrote

By mid-1944, the Allies knew about the concentration camps and pleas were made to bomb Auschwitz to reduce its killing capacity. However, this never happened due to wartime priorities and a lack of political will: