Sorry, you lost this argument and can't waive away the truth by calling them "poor excuses".

The USA and the west haven't always lived up to their own ideals, without a doubt. But we are pretty darn open about our mistakes and bad choices and, ultimately, our ideals are the right ones. Your wrong about what we care about - we definitely care about the freedoms of others because you must fight for freedom for all or you will eventually lose your own freedoms. And of course, without freedom you are someone else's slave at some level.

Maybe start questioning the state propaganda that your clearly been taking to heart. You're on reddit so you must have some access to the wider internet.

...or maybe you are a state sponsored troll yourself. Who knows.

>The only difference is territorial clams.

A rather significant difference.

The USA regards Russia and China as threats to the freedoms and liberties of a free society. Neither country has any legitimate free press, protections of individual rights, or a system of government that affords its citizens a say in the actions of their governments. That is why Russia and China are dangerous - they are dangerous to the average persons rights and freedoms.

If Russia and China country a free and open society with protections of individual freedoms and representative governments, we would not be having this conversation.

Countries join NATO to reduce their chances of being invaded by another country and are free to leave NATO any time they choose.

Putin (and I should specify that I believe its mostly Putin and his idolators, not most of the Russia people) just wants to rebuild an Russia empire so he can be a big boy imperialist like the dictators and tsars that preceded him. He's just a power hungry ego driven man-boy.

If you think about it, the west and Russia really should be allies. They have tons of shared history, similar ethnic and religious diversity. Aside from Russia's history of autocratic and dictatorial governments, the west has more in common with Russia and vice versa than each does with most of the rest of the world.

I think the out come of the Ukraine war is that Russia will be come a satellite state for China in much the same way Russia wants the former soviet states to be satellite states for itself.

Ironic.

Get ready for Chinese military assets in western Russia!