> Besides that, OP stated that he wants to use a llm for this, not me.

Actually, you introduced that concept first when you said:

> If u want some AI to alter the text for you, you again need a LLM.

OP had not mentioned applying an LLM to the case prior to that. It was explicit in their original comment, and implicit in all comments thereafter, that a watermark-free LLM was only one of the ways in which this problem could be tackled.

Meanwhile:

> Synonym engines wouldnt change an n-gram watermarks significantly enough as a synonym is the same type of word so there are token patterns persisting.

Right. Hence why I said they "get halfway there". Halfway is clearly not "all the way", and thus not "significantly enough".

And finally:

> Rules for r/MachineLearning > 1. Be nice: no offensive behavior, insults or attacks

In light of your recent description of an interlocutor's "limited capacity brain", you seem to be catastrophically failing at (1) understanding the problem space being discussed, (2) understanding the deficiencies in your own arguments, and (3) understanding basic norms and rules of interpersonal decency....

Just my two cents, but this forum probably isn't the right space for you until you level up a bit.

You don't need to implement a full-scale LLM in order to degrade watermarks at scale or even mix-and-match watermarked inputs. People who aren't even trying get halfway there now with crappy synonym engines.

And before you ask, no, I'm not going to technically spec it for you. Instead I suggest using the upvote pattern from this expert community to run backprop on your beliefs. ;)

I'm not OP, but the words "won't work in the long term" from their original statement are not synonymous with "useless".

Your original comment was disrespectful, and while you have raised some valid points along the way, they're collectively misaligned with the original statement you were responding to. You've been fighting a strawman, and it shows in how the community received your comments.

All of the cells in your body are constantly being exposed to low levels of radiation which can cause mutations.

Sterility occurs at higher levels of radiation, when the reproductive cells suffer enough damage (or accrue enough mutations) to make them functionally inoperable.

There's a meaningful amount of room for non-sterility-causing mutations between those two extremes.