holyrooster_
holyrooster_ t1_j99tm6h wrote
Reply to comment by urmomaisjabbathehutt in After a decade in development, Japan’s H3 rocket is ready for its debut by DoremusJessup
> how do we know till start developing it?
Because even the most optimistic assumptions about it, are already beaten by Falcon 9.
So if you can't even make it work on paper, how are you gone make it in real live?
> are we condemned to live with refining 1950 designs forever?
I mean you are stretching the definition of 'refining'. Starship is a just as much an upgrade over 1950 rockets then Skylon.
In fact, Skylon is actually how many people in the 1950 imagine the future, while Starship is the reality checked version of what will actually work.
> is that the best we can do?
If you want to really go invest in the future design, how about an air breathing nuclear turbofan. But I think that might cause some opposition.
You also need to consider that money is limited. Every $ going into air breathing engine isn't going into something that has potentially much greater effect. The investment done into Sabre engine would have yield far better results if it has been invested in reusable FFSC. Or something like a closed cycle expander areospike. Or many other things that that have far greater potential then Sabre.
The reality is that Sabre and Skylon are a product of a British team, a team of people that basically spend 20 years designing a bunch of paper rocket, having little experience what so with actual rocket flight operation and they came out with a concept they was so over-the-top that they thought they could get some serious research money finally.
holyrooster_ t1_j8r8ekv wrote
Reply to comment by urmomaisjabbathehutt in After a decade in development, Japan’s H3 rocket is ready for its debut by DoremusJessup
Disagree. Money can be invested much better. Their technology isn't that great and their vehicle is mostly fantasy. It would take absurd amount of money and likely they couldn't make it work at all.
For that same price you could build way more useful things for space flight.
holyrooster_ t1_j8r5tb6 wrote
Reply to comment by urmomaisjabbathehutt in After a decade in development, Japan’s H3 rocket is ready for its debut by DoremusJessup
> towards single stage planes, hypersonic engines
That's never gone beat a reusable 2 stage vehicle.
holyrooster_ t1_j99ucyo wrote
Reply to comment by urmomaisjabbathehutt in After a decade in development, Japan’s H3 rocket is ready for its debut by DoremusJessup
> we could take the same view with other technologies like
Yes. We should look at fundamental physics when making investments.
Fusion is mostly dumb for almost all application. Most nuclear rocket engine designs are pointless and not really worth it as well.
> imho those people had been testing their technology for years but the company size and available cash is nowhere to be able to proceed with the desirable development speed
If you are proposing a design with limited upside but at least 100 the cost of a conventional design then of course you can't do that.
The reality is the Skylon project was barley more then 1950 sci-fi, to go 'full speed on development' would have cost most of the European space budget. And all for a concept that serious technical issues, a team with insufficient knowledge and experience and limited upside.