il_biciclista

il_biciclista OP t1_ixj0uzh wrote

>Some people, many people. Without knowing you're assuming everyone there is uninsured or has cheap health insurance. The world is not made up entirely of people who are disadvantaged financially. 

I’m not assuming that every single person in that store was poor. I’m suggesting that the financial burden should lie with the driver’s insurance, rather than the victims. If you get run over by a car, it shouldn’t matter how rich you are, or how rich the driver is. 

>This is a tragedy, not everything has to be turned into a crusade for you to take action. Worry about their health first not their finances. I would be insulted if a friend heard I was injured and the first thing they thought about was how I was going to afford it and not asked me about how I am actually feeling physically.

I am worried about their health, but at this point, nothing can be done to change the fact that they just got run over by a car. My thoughts and prayers aren’t going to help them. Money might. They could have expensive medical bills, and could be missing a lot of work. 

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il_biciclista OP t1_ixj0qll wrote

>Even 50/100 means that each injured would only get under $6k.

I think you and I are on the same page here. I just mentioned Maine as an example of a US state that is better than Massachusetts in this respect. Frankly, I think drivers should have to carry at least $1 Million of liability coverage. The US DOT values a human life at $9.6 Million, so even $50,000 seems kind of insulting to me.

>Liability coverage isn't a major factor for your premium. I used to be an independent insurance agent and sold over 600 policies to people in various states. I'd play all day with coverages from different carriers to try to find people the best price. Bigger factors are credit, how long you've had coverage and at what level, collision coverage + deductible, and accidents/tickets.

I didn't know this, but It makes perfect sense to me. Thank you for sharing.

I don't have access to the tools that you had. Instead, I did a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation that indicates that carrying $8 Million of liability per victim should lead to less than a $2,000 increase in premiums for the average driver. ($8 Million per death times 40,000 deaths divided by 200 Million drivers).

I've been told that I'm crazy, and that increasing the liability requirements that much would result in everyone spending $50,000 per year on insurance. It's reassuring to hear that that might not be true.

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il_biciclista OP t1_ixhd6ct wrote

>funny, I had this same thought about your suggestion that I pay for twice as much insurance coverage just because some other douchebags can't drive and it makes you personally offended.

To be clear: I'm not personally offended that some douchebags can't drive. I'm personally offended that 17 people just got run over by a car, and are likely going to be stuck with large medical bills and little help paying them. I'm personally offended that this happens literally every day in this country.

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il_biciclista OP t1_ixhchxy wrote

>They can sue the driver directly and go after any extra assets that he may have (house, retirement savings, bank accounts, the car itself),

This only helps if the driver is wealthy. If you get run over by someone without any money, you should still have help paying medical bills.

>by some miracle he has an umbrella that would kick in too.

As you seem to understand, the purpose of an umbrella policy is to protect the assets of a wealthy driver (or other policyholder). That doesn't change the fact that the victims are at the mercy of the driver's financial situation.

>That's actually why they have the low limits, if you want higher you need to get an umbrella and protect yourself.

Yes, one purpose of insurance is to protect yourself. Another purpose of it is to protect others. If you opt for the lower limit, that adversely affects anybody you run over. I think that the required insurance should increase, because the victims don't have any input in what insurance you choose.

>One question though, I had thought I read somewhere, and I could be mis-remembering that if you were charged criminally you could not be sued for personal liability in MA. Does anyone else know anything about this?

I don't know the answer to that. You might be right. I hope that's not the case.

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