What was the crime rate year over year when he said that? Did someone stop you from posting it?

Ok well they have an opinion and I have proof out of Chicago. I'm not a defunder like most people aren't.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-violence-2016-aclu-effect-20180315-story.html

Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/CF6Aa

Look at the arrest rates https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZAyXkEWAAANtKY?format=jpg&name=medium

And the murder numbers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfcowitXkAE_IC5?format=png&name=small

Same thing in 2020

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-murder-spike-of-2020-when-police-pull-back-11626969547

https://archive.ph/x7rfc

This is what police do to fight reform

>The officers’ colleagues responded by pulling back on the job, doing only the bare minimum in the following weeks. In the resulting void, crews seized new drug corners and settled old scores. Homicides surged to record levels and case-closure rates plunged. “The police stopped doing their jobs, and let people fuck up other people,” Carl Stokes, a former Democratic city councilor in Baltimore, told me last year. “Period. End of story.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/how-stop-police-pullback/615730/

Wait isn't op associating gun ownership with guilt?

Woooooosh

>I'll exclude NYPD and Department of Corrections because we've allowed them to get away with a work stoppage for years.

That's exactly how they veto reform, by letting crime go up and blame reform.

Yet those people don't represent the overwhelming majority of VOTERS on the right who hate bail reform, and also hate restrictions on guns.... or the left who are pro bail reform and pro gun restrictions. But now you're gonna make a case for bears who shit in NYC, and not the woods.

Some things do happen in this world, like how you are pro gun control and anti-bail reform. Most of these people however are unlike you and don't want restrictions on guns.

Why? He's bringing up he got caught with a gun, and there should have been some sort of punishment just for that. In your world there is no punishment just for having a gun right?

People who hate bail reform also don't care who has a gun.

A lot of people lie, the Mayor is the leader of the city.

Who are also ok with 80% of guns used in crimes coming from states with lax gun laws. Including private seller laws that allow a private seller to sell to anyone without a background check.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/03/discussing-gun-crime-new-york-means-discussing-guns-bought-other-states

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/firearms-trace-data-new-york-2021

.....and how he lied for political gain, right? That's corruption my friend.

Because it's about corruption not just crime

So there should be a dangerousness standard right? Because if there wasn't he'd be out on bail.

>Shockingly he was busted again with a gun

It's worth noting that people who don't want these bail reform laws also support people having a gun no matter what. IE 2A absolutists.

What would keep him in jail if he was only charged with State charges? He has no prior gun charges. There does need to be a dangerousness standard. I say this as a progressive.

Yeah I'm not gonna disagree if you all would concede some things maybe they would too because this is all a pissing contest that makes everything anyone wants on the other side of anything automatically wrong.

Payton Gendron should not be allowed out on bail right?

That's why I said it needs fixing but there is a similar provision

>New York’s Criminal Procedure Law sets forth the laws on bail, and sections 530.20, 530.40, and 530.50 have revised sections. On May 9, 2022, the new laws go into effect.

>In short, the revisions give judges more discretion in deciding bail for qualifying offenses, particularly where a person has more than one case pending trial. Moving forward, a judge may consider an individual’s history of using a gun, whether they were charged with causing serious harm, and if they have violated an Order of Protection. Additionally, hate crimes and certain gun offenses are now qualifying offenses.

>Notably, however, lawmakers refused to introduce a “dangerousness” standard into bail considerations. Since 1971, New York’s bail laws have prohibited the consideration of dangerousness in setting bail.

https://pappalardolaw.com/2022/04/bail-laws-revised-ny-2022-2023-budget/

While it needs fixing bail reform is obviously working in NJ. Which has some of the lowest crime rates in the nation.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-least-and-most-crime/