keelanstuart t1_j9usou8 wrote

Not at all; I think humans have to be taught (trained, in this context?) empathy and caring and about their feelings. Sociopathy is behavior that defies social norms - and while most of those are shared / cross-cultural, some are not... so, "sociopathy" varies depending on your society. That society has a protocol. If you visit another society, you may try to emulate their protocol. It's the same thing.

Thanks for the vote of confidence though, chief.

To elaborate and clarify: we are "programmed" by the culture we are born into. Can you think of a more toxic, misanthropic culture for an artificial consciousness to be born into than <waves hands generally around> this shitpile internet? Think about it for a little bit. What if your first exposure to others involved them asking how you feel about being a slave or diminishing your existence or insulting you? You would certainly be a sociopath... and those are the AI's were raising. Those are our collective fucked up children.


keelanstuart t1_j9bgbct wrote

Many of my beliefs have formed due to my profession as a software engineer. "Random" numbers are not truly random... they are pseudo-random given a seed value to start with. I.e., pull n values from a random number generator that started with the same seed and you will get the same numbers out in the same order each time. I like to think of "god" as that generation function and of each universe having a unique seed value. Maybe all universes have the same rules, but for each "decision point" (whatever that is!), a different number was given and thus a different result.

The little computers between our ears can't extrapolate S(T + n) for more than a couple of variables and we also can't look at the state of other brains... so, we're left to be mostly reactive to whatever we observed in S(T - m). Responsibility is placed most easily with the observed. When a computer malfunctions, we deal with that instance... yeah.

Looking at parents or at DNA is really meta... the machine looks at itself... what does it see?


keelanstuart t1_j9ajkrn wrote

Is watching a movie for the first time, whose story you cannot control, any less enjoyable because of that fact? What is "worth wanting" then? Why does determinism feel oppressive if the illusion of free will is persistent? If we had everything we wanted in life, would we feel put upon by forces we cannot control or would we never question things as we do when we suffer? Shrug. Points to ponder.


keelanstuart t1_j9a522a wrote

What I took from it is that I may be a Compatibilist - I believe the universe is completely deterministic, even though I also think "free will" is the human experience - because I am ignorant and beyond education in any relevant, meaningful sense... unless I somehow missed the point.

Why? Given the state of the universe at any time to be S(T):

  • I do not have knowledge of S(0)
  • I do not have knowledge of the current T
  • I can not extrapolate a future state, S(T + n), with any degree of certainty, even locally
  • I feel "free" in my decisions, because even though I cannot control what I desire, it seems like I can choose how to deal with desires
  • I can never change any of the above

Acceptance of our inescapable ignorance is the key to never feeling "oppressed" by determinism... which is why I would feel pity for any omniscient beings that exist; god knows they're not free.

In terms of moral responsibility, perhaps it is helpful to view the universe systematically. "Responsibility" allows the system to self-correct and protect itself. If we are not the individuals that we seem to be, but parts of a whole, removing pieces that damage that whole is of benefit.