Dude...

If my brain was a dartboard. Bullseye. But I had this realization back in 2016 while Vermont was still net a population loss. The secret was out after the pandemic. My wife and I finally made it work though. And yes, things are expensive, but they're that way everywhere. Housing is expensive everywhere. The problem is Vermonts inventory is just so so low. It's tough for people to get here. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Cool video on village versus how US typically develops homes: https://youtu.be/VoYZlyBHyQM

Pretty much all rents are higher than mortgages because rent is a mortgage plus additional taxes plus a little profit to account for repairs. My mortgage is $2100 and I rent it for $2,400.

Yes they are garbage but Vermont taxes social security income when NH and MA don't. That's one of the biggest reasons my parents didn't come up. That and cost of living is high; 17% above national average.

Mass doesn't tax social security. Vermont does.

Ooof, think of the implications of this comment.

If we are ever going to stimulate the new evolution, it's going to have to start somewhere. Think innovation!

I board. I've got a Ride Highlife freestyle deck. Pretty stiff but pops.

We're up till Friday so I definitely will hit it up.

That's all that matters!

Thanks 👍

Ok I'm coming from Texas so Lalo's will have a high bar to reach.

Is it open Tuesday? The website said Wed

Heck yes. Is anybody getting a social cycling group going up there? In Austin we had a Facebook group and we'd post routes and different people would lead rides. We had Bike Curious Sundays, Saturday Morning Caffeine Cruise, Thursday Night Social (imagine 300 bar hoppers)

I wonder if anybody would have any interest in a Saturday morning coffee stop road bike ride.

And it's only 15 minutes away. Pisser. Thanks! Any recommendations for lunch spots in Lebanon/WRJ where I should start? We are moving up soon and want to get a feel for the towns. I'm looking for local clubs to join: hiking, mountain biking, swimming, canoe camping

They have to love their best loves too. Shoot, my buddy wants to go wandering. I know it's dangerous but, he loves his life. He comes home One day he might not. Way it goes. Wife had a tabby who loved to hunt. He'd bring back birds, rats, you name it. There was a marsh behind the house; hundreds of acres of land to hunt on. One day he just didn't come back. Rocky lived.

He knows a good view when he sees one.

With all the old quarries around, I figured everyone would have some stone counters

I've seen some creative uses for that and old bball courts. A little kitchy though don't you think?

For sure. Also, I get worried when I think about the general population on mushrooms.

Right? I don't know how my cousin commutes from Rowley to Logan everyday.

Good to know. I personally would love to rehab an actual farmhouse with 5-10 acres but I assume that would be a bit different than what you described. I actually want to homestead and have some livestock. This zoning sound more like these pseudo mcmansion style developments that seem rural because they're sparsely distributed given the acreage but sure look like subdivisions.

It depends on how you shape the whole because if you create a trapezoid with the longer side on top it will heave upward but if you create a trapezoid with the longest side on the bottom then frost will actually push it down and compact it more.

Even without R1 zoning, rules can be put in place about designs and make them incorporate into the existing character of a town. A three or four story in town apartment building put on somewhere that might have been a decrepit factory or turning on old lumber mill on the water into condos is a lot smarter than just putting up hundreds of track homes.

A lot of this is going to come down to your local townships some pretty sure that stuff still needs to be approved by your housing departments and that would be determined at the county and the local level. There's still avenues to preserve and protect communities in the general vibe that makes Vermont so attractive.