I had a group buy ruin all interest in this hobby to the point where I do not give a shit anymore. As long as the keyboard works, it’s fine… so technically yes I guess

I feel like touch typing doesn’t make you not bottom out. I feel like I’ve bottomed out every keyboard since i’ve ever typed on

Here’s the thing, I had joined a buy that had an 8 month wait… I felt a little stupid for doing it, but I figured “okay, this set looks cool, I can wait 8 months”. It’s been almost two years. If the group buy said “hey, 23 month wait period” I wouldn’t have joined. A one month delay, sure I can handle that… two months? I’m getting a little irritated… 15 month delay? Are you kidding me? I have the fucking right to complain about this shit.

I feel like the “and all that” kinda encapsulates the “way more to it” part. Either way, doing it doesn’t interest me. I don’t have enough passion for this shit to make me want to design and produce anything. I don’t even want to do that for hobbies that I’m much much more invested in, so I’d never even think to waste my time with it. There are people that actually want to design sets and produce them though, and they are the ones that need to do something about it

Yeah, and contrary to popular belief, learning how to make 3d renders and all that just to prove a point to a random person on the internet isn’t the best use of one’s time. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The thing that’s stopping me from designing a set is my lack of interest in doing so. Im not saying it’s easy, but I could figure it out and do it if I wanted to.

I want things to change, and if people keep getting sucked into group buys, that’ll never happen. By spending money on group buys, you’re saying that it’s okay and totally acceptable to get strung along with minimal communication for two years. It’s not okay and people need to quit thinking it is

Like I said, If it isn’t good enough to sell outright, Why bother selling in the first place?

I will shit talk group buys any chance I get because they’re stupid as fuck. They wouldn’t be half as bad if they took less than 6 months to make. It’s bad enough some runners will say “it’ll be done in 8 months” that’s a flat out lie, you won’t see them for over a year, maybe two. I’m sure someone will come along and defend the atrocious wait times too

Did I not say “take out a business loan”? In one of my posts? That is where I would get the money from if I wanted to make a set.

How many people do you think get burnt off of buying sets from having to wait way over the estimated time? I myself will NEVER EVER take part in a group buy again, and I am sure that there are others. You can’t rely on people like OP who just sink money into it with nothing to show

There are other businesses sell things in stock for hobbies that have less interest than keyboards.

If it isn’t worth the risk to make it, then it shouldn’t be made.

How is this illogical? How do you think other businesses work? They don’t go “I’m gonna sell you some coffee, but pay me first and then wait a year and a half and I’ll get it to you once I buy it with the money you gave me.” No, they buy their product with their own money, they sell it to consumers, and then they use the profits to pay themselves and reinvest into their business

The group buy business model is stupid as fuck. If designers don’t believe in their set enough to sell it outright, then maybe it isn’t good enough to sell period.

Take a fucking business loan out, run your set, sell it when it’s done.