mangledmonkey

mangledmonkey t1_j2dciac wrote

Ah, I see. You don't actually understand the differences between a race, culture, or ethnicity. Jere is a light overview:

  1. Race is ONLY applicable to humans. It's just a social classification, not actually a scientific designation in any way shape or form.
  2. Culture is a collective set of a group of people's customs, arts, achievements, traditions, etc.
  3. Ethnicity is a quality of belonging to a group who share a culture.

Again, none of these are the same as being indigenous, even though there is a lot of cross over since indigenous peoples (in a specific area) usually are of one race, may share a common culture (or set of cultures), and arguably may be of the same ethnic group.

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mangledmonkey t1_j2d1hu0 wrote

Well, you can hold that understanding regardless of how correct or incorrect it is. And to imply someone is 'old school racist' because someone says a word is not indicative of a single race, is a bit outside of the comment I made.

Indigenous peoples are defined as a place-based ethnic culture wherein the people have not migrated from their homeland.

For instance, for indigenous peoples in island nations across the south east asian archipelago, are they all different 'races'? Since they're broadly distributed, wouldn't we need to distinguish them by distinct races? We don't. Not outside of context anyways. Sure, people incorrectly use 'indigenous' as a minority racial classification in areas where there are a large group of what a nation may consider it's indigenous peoples. But, if I happen to be an indigenous person from Africa and the classification is for something like a job application, there's not a checkbox for 'indigenous to what region' because they assume Native America/American Indian since it's the primary 'indigenous' ethnic group (not racial group) we take into account in the US. And that is different in each nation depending on it's people because indigenous is a location and ethnic/cultural based word, not race.

It would be pretty hard pressed to argue that. How about in Africa with the hundreds of indigenous tribes? Are they different races now too? They all come from distinct areas on the continent and often are isolated to the point that interaction with one-another may never have occurred. Indigenous doesn't mean race, even if you want it to. It's location and culture based, it definitely has correlation with a racial groups, but it isn't the same definition. At least, this is my understanding. Not really a specialty of mine, I just thought it was a somewhat funny/snarky reply not really intended to spark a debate or even discredit the other commenter's comment.

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mangledmonkey t1_iuhy81g wrote

Yea, Koreans are pretty abysmal at awareness in a social setting. But, you're charging people with the expectation of crowd mechanics and capacity limitations which isn't really something to be expected from the average person. Imagine you're inside of one of those clubs or restaurants, owners are telling people they're closing and to leave (it was reported that some restaurant owners were closing up and kicking people put and into the crowd without knowing about the size and scope of things outside). And you went when it was busy, certainly, but not like it now is. The last train just let out, a massive crowd from the already busy streets just poured out from the densely packed alleyway restaurants and bars and clubs, and now that pack of new crowd for the final train is coming towards your exit path, and the path behind is also already packed to the gills. Can't go in anywhere, people from the crowd incoming start pushing, from up a narrow and steep hill, down toward you while people behind continue to try to push up. A group uphill heard there was a popular celebrity and are vying yo get to see them down behind where you are at. They push, suddenly, and strongly, and behind you, someone falls on the slippery, littered, and uneven pavement leading up towards the bottom of the alleyway. A few more people trip on them. Suddenly, everyone is completely falling all over each other, and the crowds behind you and above you up the hill don't stop because they physically can't see or feel what's happening. No amount of awareness, aside simply not going, prepares anyone for that. Event planning, safety procedures, and careful organization of large crowds are basically the only thing to prevent these issues at such a scale.

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mangledmonkey t1_iuhopx2 wrote

That's less of the issue than the absolute lack of any safety planning crowd control, or event management since the Itaewon Halloween festivities aren't actually a planned event by any city/neighborhood/government. Korean authorities are very hands off where these unorganized events are concerned and if there was even a fraction of the covid protocols(population control, screening, registration, etc.) being used this would have been avoided entirely.

They should have organized the area into a festival setting with entrance and exit checkpoints and controls a long, long time ago. What a mess. I actively avoided Itaewon during these events because it's just a shit show of massive crowds, usually very drunk, and dirty tight alleyways that get absolutely clogged beyond belief time after time. It's sad to see such a tragic loss that was entirely preventable if even any slight measures would have been taken to manage the crowds that everyone knew were going to be there.

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