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mtf612 OP t1_japgs0t wrote
Reply to comment by Backpackerer in Can Central Park’s Drives Become More Peaceful? - NY Times by mtf612
Agreed fully.
Didn't mention things that are just plain illegal (delivery bikes against traffic are one thing but I've nearly been hit by citibikes in the running lane going the opposite direction of the bike lane).
The running groups particularly bother me as a novice runner who runs along. Makes me feel like a huge outsider or non-runner when a group of 20-30 people are running at me and no one is adjusting to accommodate people going the other direction (me) so I'm forced into the bike lane.
mtf612 OP t1_japcu0l wrote
Reply to comment by eclectic5228 in Can Central Park’s Drives Become More Peaceful? - NY Times by mtf612
Ooh, I like that.
mtf612 OP t1_jap9zh3 wrote
Reply to comment by eclectic5228 in Can Central Park’s Drives Become More Peaceful? - NY Times by mtf612
I am referring to that lane as a running lane, because it it primarily used by people who are running. However, I fully endorse people using it for walking. Plenty of people cannot run, plenty use that lane for power walking, and plenty use it for leisurely walks but stay to one side alone. That's fine.
What is not fine are groups of people walking across both directions of the lane or people standing in the lane while they wait for cyclists/horse cabs to pass—thereby forcing others to step into the bicycle lanes to continue on their path.
Particularly because there is typically a sidewalk next to the lane.
mtf612 OP t1_jaozoaa wrote
Reply to comment by mtf612 in Can Central Park’s Drives Become More Peaceful? - NY Times by mtf612
>Elizabeth Smith went into Central Park at East 72nd Street expecting to find chaos. It did not take long, even on a chilly morning when the promising sky was clouding over.
>There is chaos — as defined by Smith, the president of the nonprofit Central Park Conservancy — on the drives, the six miles of road inside the park that have been off limits to most cars since 2018. Within 500 feet of where she started, where Terrace Drive branches off from East Drive, she sounded almost like a traffic reporter describing the B.Q.E. in Industry City or the Belt Parkway near J.F.K.
>“All these people come flying down — bicycles, pedestrians, runners,” she said, adding that it was a place where horse-drawn carriages clip-clop along at a far slower pace, shambling in front of the bicyclists and runners, and where pedicabs pass on the right before swinging left. “And there are no traffic signals that anyone is really obeying,” she said.
>Smith called the drives “the most heavily used resource in Central Park” and said they had become more heavily trafficked during the pandemic. She also said they are “extremely complex spaces with competing uses,” and soon they will be extremely well studied. The Conservancy, in partnership with the city’s Department of Parks and Recreation and the Department of Transportation, is beginning a look at who uses the drives, and how.
>They have enlisted the consulting firm run by Sam Schwartz, a former first deputy transportation commissioner who is known as “Gridlock Sam.” Smith said the study would lead to “a community-driven process” that would include presentations to community boards in areas adjacent to the park and other local organizations. She said the feedback would help shape “design interventions” to make coexistence on the drives more peaceful.
>As they are now, she said, “they impinge on the reason people come to Central Park, which is to get away from the city. The city is creeping into the park through the drives.” How different that is from the purpose envisioned by the 19th-century planners who, she said, saw the park as “a place where people could get away from the city and commune with nature and have a respite from urban life.”
>On a drive around the drives, Smith continued her play-by-play with help from Erica Sopha, the conservancy’s vice president for park use and stewardship. They stopped on East Drive with the North Meadow softball fields on the left and the Mount Sinai Hospital complex in the distance on the right, a spot where pedestrians and cyclists could get in each other’s way.
>“You’ve got people who think ‘Oh, it’s not busy here, so I’m oh, going to cross the drive,’” Sopha said. “And you have bikers who think ‘It’s not busy here and this is one straight path that I can just pick up my speed.’ It’s a recipe for conflict.”
>Smith said the potential for conflict would increase as tourism bounced back and visitors joined New Yorkers in the park. “There is a tremendous amount of competition for the use of those drives,” she said. “It’s pedicabs, it’s horse carriages, it’s runners, it’s e-bikes, it’s speed bikes, it’s recreational bikers, it’s pedestrians.”
>Adding to the need to study the drives, she said, is the fact that deliverers often use them because the four transverses “don’t really accommodate bikers,” she said. The push for better crosstown bike routes surged after the death of Daniel Cammerman, who was hit by a school bus as he rode along the 96th Street transverse in 2019.
>The study follows a safety study of the drives in Prospect Park in Brooklyn, which had not been reconfigured since traffic was banned in 2018. The nonprofit Prospect Park Alliance says it is preparing to release the results soon.
>The Central Park survey, in English and Spanish, asks respondents how they reach the park — on foot or on a bicycle, an e-bike, an e-scooter, a moped or some other way. It also asks if they ever feel unsafe there.
>“We’ve always thought of the park as sort of a barometer about the way people feel about the city,” Smith said, “and you know when it’s clean and well managed and beautiful, people think New York is going to be OK.”
mtf612 OP t1_jaozd73 wrote
Reply to comment by mtf612 in Can Central Park’s Drives Become More Peaceful? - NY Times by mtf612
Fwiw, here are my thoughts on the matter:
As someone who is in the park four or five days a week either as a pedestrian or as a runner on the loop, the biggest issues in my mind are (1) bicyclists who treat the loop like it's the tour de France, (2) pedestrians (particularly tourists) crossing in front of runners/cyclists to get across the loop, (3) cyclists going into the running lane and runners going into the cycling lane, (4) horse carriages and pedicabs parking in the running lane so tourists can stop and take photos.
The problems with speeding and with pedestrians crossing the street are significantly exacerbated on the southern end of the park, particularly during times of the year when tourism is high. So often I'll be running, only to see a group of four casually walking shoulder to shoulder in the running lane. Even worse is having someone, without looking, leave the sidewalk and step out in front of a runner or worse a cyclist.
In my perfect world, where money was no object, they would do the following:
- Install a barrier between the running lanes and the bicycle lanes.
- Widen the running lanes by a couple of feet. Add more clear directional arrows on the ground or signs saying "Keep Right."
- Paint the running lane a different color, like orange. Pedestrians often stand in the running lane at crossings because they treat it like it's just a wide curb to the road.
- Post signs at every pedestrian crossing to inform pedestrians to look both ways.
- Install motion sensors at every pedestrian crossing that alert pedestrians to oncoming cyclists, pedicabs, runners, etc.
- Signs or campaigns to remind pedestrians that the running lane is for exercise and to keep casual leisurely strolls to the sidewalk—especially since the sidewalk is parallel to the loop for 90% of the time.
- Ban horse drawn carriages. Full stop. Invest in and allow electric horseless carriages as a replacement.
- Create specific parking spaces for pedicabs.
- On the south loop, or everything below 77th street, install speed limit signs and speed radar cameras.
- Enforcement. Tickets for speeding cyclists, tickets for cyclists in the running lane, tickets for pedicabs who park randomly—straight to jail for the very limited number of cars that are allowed on the loop if they speed.
The transverse issue is tricky. Ideally there would be a reconfiguration of at least two of the transverses to allow for a fully separated two-way bicycle lane that is protected by a concrete divider. That is probably more of a fantasy than anything else on my wishlist though.
mtf612 t1_ja9s0c2 wrote
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>No staten island please.
That is generally implied.
mtf612 OP t1_jarn1i8 wrote
Reply to comment by rbf85 in Can Central Park’s Drives Become More Peaceful? - NY Times by mtf612
No, and I should have been more clear on that issue list. I didn't expect this post to get much attention and honestly these are just my opinions that I came up with off the top of my head.
What I was trying to get at, is that runners and bicyclists do not stop for traffic lights. I think that's perfectly reasonable at certain parts of the park (north end) where there are few pedestrians crossing. On the south loop, however, there needs to be better mechanisms to control the flow of traffic—both the actual traffic on the loop and the traffic of pedestrians crossing the loop.
The problem I come across often, is that especially during tourist seasons, large groups of pedestrians will stand in the running lanes waiting for the light to change, forcing runners into the cyclist lane. I've seen pedestrians step out in front of runners multiple times, because the pedestrians did not look both ways, and I've seen clueless groups of people walk out into the bicyclist lane in front of traffic, nearly causing damaging accidents with oncoming cyclists.
And this doesn't just happen at the designated crossings. People jump the barriers all the time to get across the park more quickly, but they're now an obstacle that needs to be navigated.
Pedestrian safety certainly requires better control of traffic on the loop, but it also requires that (a subset of certain) pedestrians recognize that the loop is an actively used road with mixed forms of travel.