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nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j20efdl wrote
Reply to comment by throw_somewhere in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
I'm not sure what you mean about handwaving everything that agrees with us? I'm not saying this data should be published, I'm just saying that it's surprising the level of pushback it's getting on a reddit sub, the pushback generally seeming to reject the results. The results are not surprising at all. I don't see the harm in someone taking some anecdotal data in their own class and sharing it here. I do see the harm in a lot of these comments basically saying, "but women don't really earn good grades, but this headline is so flawed, but but but" when the conclusions of this anecdotal story align with more robust data. It would be like if you say your friend died in a drunk driving accident, so drunk driving is bad, and everyone flooded you with, "but that's a sample size of 1!!!!!!" Like... Yea but also we know this is a real thing so chill.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j20dtiq wrote
Reply to comment by jrm19941994 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2012/issue131a/
Your last paragraph is just untrue, sounds like you're basing it on the nonsense Strumia study that was never accepted into a journal. You also oversimplify: citation data and publication metrics are not fully objective, but bias informs them as well.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1xatxm wrote
Reply to comment by throw_somewhere in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
I'm not actually a layperson, I have my own theory. I'm actually curious about what the consensus here is.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1xamli wrote
Reply to comment by throw_somewhere in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Have you heard of something called a Bayesian Prior? Colloquially, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This isn't an extraordinary claim, if anything it's extremely mundane. The high level of scrutiny here isn't actually very justified at all.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1xa3jh wrote
Reply to comment by notacanuckskibum in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Many such studies are available in the literature
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1xa0wk wrote
Reply to comment by throw_somewhere in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
I think this is a pretty poor understanding of imposter syndrome. Imposter syndrome is the belief that your achievements were lucky, like "I scored an 800 on my SAT by random chance/because I'm a good test taker/etc, but this says nothing about my ability to do well in college." So then they believe they by luck got placed in the wrong class and don't deserve to be there. This is exacerbated by people treating them inconsistently, sometimes from direct discrimination, other times from unconscious bias. They feel a kind of survivor's guilt, that breeds shame, that breeds imposter syndrome.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1x9g1t wrote
Reply to comment by jrm19941994 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
You say the core difference is temperment, as opposed to discrimination. It's very difficult to study temperment and isolate it from discrimination, whereas the opposite is easy and well-studied (think studies that present the same CVs with different names). So concluding that differences in gender temperment lead to higher rates of imposter syndrome is a radical conclusion, while concluding that these differences stem from lifelong discrimination is less radical (at least in the academic community, maybe not so much on this sub).
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1sw09y wrote
Reply to comment by FalseTank27 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
It shows the same results for both men and women... Odd that you'd link to an attractiveness study in this context
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1sogyg wrote
Reply to comment by Alyxra in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
I'm asking why you think that's the case? What's your theory as to why the data reflects that?
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1rk3ne wrote
Reply to [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Lol why is everyone so skeptical of this study when its findings are not at all radical or at odds with the literature? Much higher quality data reflects the same result. It seems ideological bias is at play here...
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1rjvkd wrote
Reply to comment by SolWizard in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Incorrect, it's been demonstrated at the undergraduate level. The thought process is very similar: "i didn't deserve to get into this program, i don't belong in this class, i can't participate or learn because I don't belong."
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1rjojr wrote
Reply to comment by jrm19941994 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Not discrimination?
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1rjhiy wrote
Reply to comment by George297 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
This is a pretty well-studied phenomenon though, so it's not like we have flat priors or smth.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1rjawj wrote
Reply to comment by hamburger5003 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Uhhhh source?
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1rj5fv wrote
Reply to comment by Embarrassed-Loss-118 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Why do you think that is?
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j21kz4l wrote
Reply to comment by jrm19941994 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Ehh idk how to address it because it's so subjective. You say it's obvious, I say more data is required. I'm personally pretty conservative/cautious when it comes to making links to predictive behavior from our cultural understanding of gender. I think it's easy to jump to conclusions based on broad stereotypes that don't hold up to scrutiny, but I don't know that I can really prove you're doing that.