pelathos

pelathos t1_j5hkbui wrote

The idea of removing money is a radical thought, but I'm not advocating utopia or equality of outcome.

There will always be people who are more attractive, more talented in certain areas and so on. Hierarchies aren't inherently evil.

What I advocate is investigation into the idea of making the basics available to people. Food. Shelter. Health care. Automation. A sharing economy, where most items wil be rented for free in a library. You can rent it for however long you see fit. Certain items can be personal and kept forever in some cases. 3d printing facilities available for everyone. Emphasis on reuse of products.

Its difficult to imagine such a society, but we need to consider these options. It may be possible.

If you throw away the need for economic growth and therefore cyclical consumption, you automatically get vastly better products because planned obsolescence is no longer needed to maintain profit. Instead of products cheaply made thst break down, you get modular, upgradable products that might last an order of magnitude longer. As a result of thst, you get lower demand, which saves the environment too.

The end of hustle culture. The end of celebrity culture. The end of a large amount of artificiality. Not to mention, an end to most wars (which are mostly based on resource/territorial scarcity as far as I understand).

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pelathos t1_j584vfn wrote

Grim.

Technology is a double edged sword. An amplifier. If we continue with this monetary market, infinite growth based death spiral? More tech and more advances tech will just amplify that.

What's needed is a revolution of thought. Away from these left/right, capitalist/communist dualities and into heterodox thinking around wtf can we do to make life better for all people and all animals and the environment itself.

But of course that's easier said than done. Most people are stupid and their heads are full ideas that are no longer relevant.

So, on the surface, with some clever "economics" and official-looking stats and graphs, it looks like progress. But if you ask individual people, at the social level? It'll just get tougher and tougher to be alive. And even then, some people are so lost that they actually believe in their own indoctrination, which will skew the results of course.

I imagine life was easier before civilization. At a time when we lived as hunter gatherers. Short lives, yes. But simple nonetheless. Easy to understand. We were mere animals but it worked fine. Most deaths, as far as I know, were due to nature. Today? People routinely die due to inadequasies of the system.

Think about medicine for example. It's the third leading cause of death. Think about that for a minute! Iatrogenic effects are hugely underestimated! And don't get me started on psychiatry. Ok, you got me started, let me just mention this: it seems to be the case that many of the popular "medicines" or drugs for common so-called mental illnesses (which are in 90% of cases normal human responses to whatever fucked up environments people find themselves in), actually cause the very diseases they are purported to correct. How fucked up is thst? And how is this even possible? Easy: $$$!

Basically, more stuff = more stuff that can go wrong (and it will, at least for a while).

However, there is the possibility of a post scarcity system. A global system of cooperation. Where science and technology is used to enhance life and protect the environment.

But if that's to happen, we need to move away from this hyper individualistic, self centered model of Western Capitalism / monetary market system.

We need a new kind of religion, or something akin to it. One that combines the best elements of Western enlightenment ideas and Eastern philosophy. Science and soul, equally. Balance. Heterodox thinking. Minimal games. Honesty. This is new to most people. It's hard work to live like that. Especially in a world so saturated with artificiality and vanity.

The biggest hurdle is the money game. That shit has to go.... Somehow...

I'd suggest people look into alternative systems. New ideas. Some have been thinking along these lines already (Jacque Fresco, Bucky Fuller etc.) , but we desperately need more.

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