randym99

randym99 t1_jddbyk8 wrote

195k per station per year would be a 1 year payback, ignoring all benefit from cleaning the system up for honest riders. I'd be thrilled with a 5 year payback, which would require preventing 39k fare jumps per year per station, which is like 4-5 fare jumps per hour, which is probably in the ballpark of the actual situation on the ground today.

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randym99 t1_jdd6hob wrote

I was at Cecil B Moore the other day, mid-day, and watched probably 10 people skinny past or hop over the turnstile in the span of like 10 minutes. Let's conservatively call it 10 jumps an hour at CBM, only consider 12 hours per day, and use the 2018 "weekday ridership" numbers by station from the BSL wiki. That's ~3.5% of total riders that aren't paying (and maybe higher since ridership is way down from 2018); does that sound directionally correct? Applying that to annual BSL + MFL ridership of ~35M (2022 stats; waaay tf down from pre-COVID haha wow) suggests an annual fare jump count of ~1.2M. At $2 per, that's $2.4M in evaded fare (assuming 100% of fare-jumpers turn into fare-payers) which is not close to immediate payback for these new gates. But I'm still for the move because it ought to significantly improve the SEPTA experience and hopefully help increase ridership.

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randym99 t1_j4wckf6 wrote

Glad to help. In a comment just below I also linked the PPD crime map that has other crime categories.

Oh and if you're moving to Philly and might vote in the Mayoral election next Nov, I'll plug that this map was created by the city's Office of the Controller under former Controller Rebecca Rhynhart, who resigned in order to run for Mayor. This is just one example of her work in office that makes me want to vote for her.

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randym99 t1_j3rxwgp wrote

Lol, I can't tell if you're making a joke, but just in case you're serious or for anyone else reading this who isn't sure: right, that's the most common criticism of those apps, that they tend to stoke fear needlessly. Of course, they report actual shootings but if you're not Batman, why do you need realtime updates on every shooting? Also, for every legitimate shooting, idiots report every other loud noise, of which the city has many. I do not consume those apps and have felt very safe in Point Breeze for two years now.

For add'l crime data, PPD has an interactive map but it's a little annoying to use (you have to draw the boundaries you want to search then select the time range, and it only shows up to like 1k results, so don't make your search too large): https://www.phillypolice.com/crime-maps-stats

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randym99 t1_j3rvkao wrote

I joined a running club for this purpose. There are clubs all over the city, some more chill than others. I've found it's a great way to meet new people, make friends, explore the city on foot, and exercise! Philly Runner has a great list: https://philadelphiarunner.com/running-groups-in-philly

Edit: in case you're not a runner or are unfamiliar with the idea of a running club, don't be scared off thinking it's some crazy hardcore thing. Plenty of groups (incl the one I run with, Passyunk Beer & Java Runners) are full of just regular people, many who run slowly but enjoy doing so with others.

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