You literally agreed with me in another comment in the same thread lmao

Stop cancel culture. You may be hurting someones business when you dont know all the facts. We have no facts, just a few sentences on an anonymous message board, and youre willing to risk someones livelihood on what could just be a mistake by OP?

Thanks for the resources, his explanations do make sense to explain civilian sightings but not for the US Navy sighting.

They see planes all the time, they fly them. The sensors and recordings picked up something not recognized by the Navy which is why this is a big deal. They 100% know of every vehicle in their airspace, it’s not possible for it to be a plane.

The other videos of civilians claiming to see a “tic-tac” all look like planes. The one from the US Navy does not look like a plane. I have a hard time believing it’s a lens flair and none of their experts considered it. There was sensor data and eye-witness accounts from 4 pilots. It’s not a flair.

Imagine what the world would look like today if we conducted science by saying “something is going on that breaks our understanding of the world, but it’s more likely nothing so let’s not look into it”.

Which is why my reply also mentioned…

> Perspective may have been what made the thing look like it was going fast. The Navy doesn’t think so though, so you must know something they don’t.

That’s certainly a reasonable explanation, although the Navy recognizes this phenomenon and have several accounts of it. They understand their equipment. They agree there was an anomaly and all instruments were working correctly.

We’re talking about experts here. Perspective may have been what made the thing look like it was going fast. The Navy doesn’t think so though, so you must know something they don’t.

When did I ever say aliens? I was very clear that there is not enough evidence to come to a conclusion? Come back when you can read.

It’s impossible to come to a conclusion because there’s almost zero evidence. What we do have though, are a few instances of unusual phenomenon that we can’t explain.

Most people who say they have seen ufos are crazy. Some could be intelligent in some areas but most are crazy.

There are real accounts of unidentified objects that seem to surpass our understandings of movement or physics. David Fravor and 3 other people witnessed something that is still not explained yet. We don’t know what it is.

And it’s not only eye witness testimony. It’s cameras and sensors.

This looks like what happens when you keep pressing the suggested words on an iPhone

I’ll be honest I’m a little lost

There are hundreds of pages of docs and emails in that link, along with video from sensor data. IMO easier to listen to David Fravor on Lex Friedmans podcast. Worth a watch.

I see you asked for data in the comment that got removed.

Here it is: https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents

Are you planning on doing something with the data or was that just to shut down the conversation?

Btw I think youre reply got removed like mine have been.

Reddit deletes almost all of my comments so I started using reveddit to see if my post made it or not.

They have data. The data shows whatever it is, its seemingly flying faster and more unusual than anything we understand currently. That's it.

I, and the people that presented the data did not claim what it is. Whatever it is, something is happening. Its not nothing.

That alone is worth investigating.

"I have a girlfriend at another school" is a claim.

"Here is data we do not understand, what is it?" is not a claim.

I was removed automatically again...

Yes I think it is the gimbal guy.

Words words words words dont remove my comment please

My other comment got auto-removed. Lets try again.

Look into David Fravor. As far as I am aware there isn't a logical explanation for the phenomenon himself and 3 others witnessed.

Sure yeah I appreciate any info you have, I think its all interesting.

Have you looked into David Fravor's accounts? He and 3 other pilots observed the same thing. They have video and sensor data.

As far as I am aware, there hasn't been a satisfactory answer to what they saw and picked up with their sensors.

You're right, were working with a bunch of assumptions because there's nearly zero evidence for any of this. Could be anything. Probably more likely not biological.

You could give the muted ufo video of the sensor data to an aviation expert and they would find it interesting. A layman would not know what they are looking at.

In that vein, unless you know what a virus is and the parts it has, you would have no clue wtf you're looking at without some context. I get what you're saying, but the analogy is bad.

>I can only assume that the lack of more compelling evidence only strengthens the skepticism considering their would be mountains of data to support what these people are seeing.

That surely is the problem, there is not much evidence at all. The little we have is enough to look into it, but not enough to come to a conclusion.

I will watch. Any specific video to start with?

Also, there is no extraordinary claim. No claim at all actually... What I am talking about is testimonies of witnessed phenomenon that have actual video and data. There is no conclusion, we dont know what it is.

There are anomalies in the data. It is up to us to use the data to come to a conclusion.

Im just advocating an open mind. I would have said the exact same thing as you. Just flat-out refusing to consider it gets us nowhere. There are phenomenon happening we do not understand, its hard to deny that.

Have you listened to David Fravor and his groups' witness accounts? Like really dig in. Don't just go in trying to find things to disagree with. Actually consider what they might be saying could be true.

I am overly skeptical about everything. 2 years ago I would have scoffed and rolled my eyes at anyone even considering ufo stories to be legit.

My natural inclination is absolutely not to believe in ufos. The opposite. Naturally, I think it’s complete bullshit.

I now think there are too many accounts from reasonable people to just completely write them off.

Air traffic is tightly controlled. There aren’t just rogue planes unmarked flying around. The tic-tacs have been observed to move beyond the capacity of modern engineering or understanding of physics.

They are 100% not planes. Are they aliens? Probably not, but it’s not nothing.

> At best, we are bacteria being studied by a vastly more intelligent species, and that isn’t good news for anyone, let alone something to get excited about.

Idk man that sounds pretty cool to me

Are you saying they’re all loonies, therefore we should ignore rule out anything anyone says if it’s about ufos?