It's all about having one more option because we have no options right now.

I will give you a recent example with a laptop. It ended up with a busted battery. The warranty service claimed it was user damaged. I had to prove it's not. With this model it's the other way around. The company has to prove it's fully functioning in my presence in order to get the next recurring payment. If they can't the plan ends and the device is considered non-functional.

If I lease it it's in warranty. In warranty you have to prove the product failed not the company. This model is reversing that.

Yes because modular lasting products are more expensive to make. If they are the same price as non-lasting products it will be a different story. That's why small companies may benefit from this model to make a breakthrough.

My field of reference is mostly laptops where the thin and light competition made them way worse in terms of modularity, repairability, expandability and general reliability.

Yep, precisely that's mostly about electronics.

Think of it this way - with a warranty you have to prove a product is broken with this model the company needs to prove it's working each year before you make a recurring payment.

>So, this will be the status quo until the world economy collapses, which will probably be soon.

I agree with you but while we wait we can ease our pain by pushing for even if temporary solutions. Think of it this way - with a warranty you have to prove a product is broken with this model the company needs to prove it's working each year before you make a recurring payment.

Nothing much different than a warranty inspection really. It's just a different model where they have to prove it's working rather than you proving it's not working.

This is about an example business model not about a product in mind.

I don't understand. I am not suggesting a product but rather a business model.

In sectors with quick innovation cycles this is quite impossible. It's all about being modular so you can upgrade and repair. In sectors with slower innovation it doesn't matter that much I agree but you can still up-sell with add-ons.

Ah now I understand. They can verify it once a year before the recurring payment.

With a one year warranty they can claim it only before the recurring payment scheme starts. After that they have nothing to claim they either pay if the product is still functional or they don't pay and they don't have a product. That leaves the company with half the income if it breaks after the 1 year warranty expires.

It's all about the business model really and the bi-directional incentives for users and producers. The post is not really about how to make them but rather how to make companies make them.

Consider that companies make cheaper products because of decreasing income of population. They can still make everlasting products but they will cost a lot. So making it half price now and recurring payments based on usage incentives both sides.

Thanks for elaborating. The warranty example is a good one to clarify the difference between the two. The user has no incentive to damage its own device since along with skipping the next payment they will not have a device at all. Maybe a 1 year warranty is only needed with this business model and after that you simply rely on these recurring payments?

Gladly just let me know what kind of examples do you need?

Yeah because it's pre-2020 :) It all started going really bad post 2018.

I understand your point of view. Thinness and lightness have their limitations too. They can't go on forever and definitely there is a trade to be made.

The idea is that you don't pay double or triple but rather get it as affordable as the mainstream ones and then reward the company for each year it lasts. It guarantees fair trade rather than marketing promises.

Thanks for the constructive feedback and valuable insights. Products with fast innovation cycles can also be made modular so that you don't change the whole device. We actually had that for a while across laptops and even some attempts in smartphones. Currently the whole competition revolves around lower prices and that makes planned obsolescence obligatory and hard to fix by circular economy alone.

Anything else about OP Mr. OP?

All this has been basically answered by the attached perplexity description. No need for cookies, cookbooks and OPs.

Can you elaborate further on your experience? Does it produce the same results? Where does it get the index from?

If I do a search with perplexity.ai and then google perpelexity gives me an answer and references not search results.

Off-topic since we are not discussing search engines but rather the concept of search indexing vs AI as an assitant.

Not putting labels. All that the topic is saying is that AI and search index are not the same thing.

Because a search engine is supposed to return all results while AI will aim for an answer first and foremost.

Because they give me a list and not an answer but as per the other convo they are closer than I think it seems.