Let's make this a Christian government but ignore all the Christian things

Well, I am sure you know that 6-10 feet under the ground it stays a regular 50-60 which is above the use temps. If you throw it into a furnace or washer/dryer room, that is free heat. And the ground is a huge tank of that heat (it's why it is hard to heat basements sometimes.

Most people don't have heating in their basements. So it really is negligible.

But I have already included the full cost of running it purely as a resistance heater for 8 months and it costs less.

The thing is that it doesn't take a lot of heat to compress down in a heat pump, even if it decreases the resistance usage by half over the whole year, we are at my second number.

If a house heat pump can get warmth for a home out of 40 degrees without using resistance heating, then a heat pump water pump can get it out of a 50 degree basement

I am going to have to disagree with your assessment on the return of investment

a rheem 50 gallon regular electric 9 year tank costs 700$
A rheem 50 gallon heatpump 10 year tank costs 1700$

So, with a heatpump, you are playing 1000$ more for the difference. that is 100$/year.

Will the system save 100$/year? odds are, yes.

if we take the estimated annual usage of the regular tank and the heat pump and divide it per month we'll get.

regular tank 3400kwh/12 = 283kwh/month
heat pump 837 kwh/12 = 70kwh/month.

If the heat pump runs like a regular water heater for the months that have below 70-80 temperatures but like a heat pump at 70-80 temperature averages then 8 months at regular and 4 months at heat pump, that comes to 2544kwh. The rate average on the energyguide is 14 cents/kwh.

so, you'd save 856kwh or about 120$/year. that means you'd get 20$ worth of savings in a year, 200$ for ten years.

Now, the Rheem HP water heater says it can work down to about 40 degrees, my basement floats around 60 in the winter and if I throw it near the washer/dryer it will get a bit more heat from those being run. Add to the fact that not everyone in my household takes showers at the same time, so it will allow the heatpump to be able to regen the heat over a longer period of time.

So if we up the usage to half the year rather than a quarter of the year, we are at 2118 kwh, so saving 1280 kwh per year, we are at 180$ per year total savings. or a savings of 80$/year or 800$/10 years including the 100$/year purchase.

or another way to think about it, is that is will pay itself off in about 5 years, and you should get another 5 out of it. If you have the money, why not, it will save you money and at the worst of times, it is just a regular water heater.

the tanksless ones are dumb though for northern climes

Keep reading, why would you stop?

Know what the road signs/paint means, know your responsiblity when driving and whose go it is on the road. If you go anywhere with roads, watch and see what people do.

It isn't super hard.

not really, he is talked about in some books of the era, usually crowded out by larger more well known folks like pinchot, muir and the like. He is on the wiki, Joseph Rothrock and he totally seemed to have lived an interesting life.

There are not that many Rothrocks in the USA, most of them, to my knowledge are related directly back to two ships that carried the family over, the Pink Mary and another one. It was a father and his four sons. It is a pain in the ass because there are like 10 generations of "george" or "john" or the german versions, so Johan, johannes, georg.

You can find some powerpoints, some brief descriptions on the various state websites.

Yup.

It was actually Joseph Rothrock that really pushed the state purchasing these lands to re-tree them, he is one of the reasons that they are protected today.

Pennsylvania's first forestry fella, interesting life story, my great great uncle.

actually, you should have gotten a refund, it may have taken a while.

If you moved over to a new place and new electrical, maybe you can go to the PA treasury place and find that they still owe you a check?

I will give you a heads up, it gets pretty hard to move up to and past a 7.

If you have the ability to get an income caseworker supervisor, do it. a lot of jobs up the chain want you to already have supervisor experience even though it is damned impossible to get as a regular non-sup worker.

I have worked like a devil in a lot of jobs in the state, not all but a lot. I was doing SNAP/MA/GA intake in dauphin county a decade ago, and the amount of work I was doing was amazing. Although, they tried to penalize me for having overdue work. Which was hilarious during that meeting. They told me "everyone else could do the work"... and I asked, "how many cases have they gotten in the last month?" and they said, "it didn't matter", the union steward said that "it did matter, and do you know the amount of cases he has received in the last month?" and the supervisor said "no"... and the manager couldn't believe that came out of the supervisor's mouth in a meeting with the union there. I pointed out that I had processed 230-300 cases in the last month, and still have 80 overdue, which meant I was gettting assigned 300-400 cases a month.

If someone doesn't have a degree, experience or skills... then it really isn't underemployment.

a person getting out of high school with no experience with good benefits and getting paid like 17$/hr isn't under employment

You need one year at that level to be able to apply for supervisor which is about 20$/hr.

you need one year of that to be able to apply for administration officer at about 24$/hr

and you need one year of that to be able to apply for administration officer 2 and make as much as I do.

but good news, even with the "update" you still need years of experience to get into these jobs. Removing college degree requirements do not remove experience requirements

but for IT, let's look at what a generalist's requirements are currently. They start at 55k. three years of general IT experience support, one year at a trainee or technician, one year at IT specific.... plus an associate's degree, one year at help desk one year at ticketing.

So, even with the changes, you would still not be qualified for the job based on what you said. But if someone has an associates, did a couple years of help desky work and one year working at IT directly.... 55k .

That's fair. I will say that depending on which jobs you wanted to get into, there were options previously available.

I got in with the state about 15 years ago with only an unrelated bachelor's but you could have gotten in at the same time as me at that job with X amount of experience rather than a bachelor's degree.

Many jobs allow you to ignore the educational requirements if you have the previous level experience, so you could have started as a lower level and worked your way up.

There have also been a ton of trainee/intern positions that turn into full time positions or allow you to move up.

Like, I was an income maintance caseworker. I got in with a bachelor's but you could have had four years of interview/benefits experience, you could have been a medical assistance technican .

So, someone without college could have been a cleric typist, eventually became a supervisor, eventually became a mapt, eventually a caseworker, and eventually to where I am now. ... and you could have started that with a ged or highschool diploma. it might take a bit more time but it also pays the bills, gets you the benefits and doesn't cost an arm or a leg.

I don't know.

There is a bottom level of folks that apply for jobs and get hired. I can say that I really haven't seen much of an actual lack of people applying for jobs because they don't meet the qualifications. Most folks I see talking about it say that even fully completely qualified folks don't get calls back. Most of the time I could see this only really working in IT work kinda fields but even then, most people I know won't work for the state for IT because they can make so much money in the private sector. like, they could easily get 50-100% more money by going private.

The intern program is one where someone in the last two years of their degree ,10 ish weeks of parttime paid work. so a couple years of experience with a degree and some training

To be a trainee, you can get a bach degree with 12 credits, four years of experience bookkeeping and 12 credits, or any combo already.

this has made it so you have six classes... and a couple of years experience. That already exists. in the above.

I guess I wouldn't feel all that comfortable with auditors having six classes and like a summer doing their uncle's books.

ah, a repost.

Ok, this isn't really a new thing. The majority of jobs that had a "removed" college degree could have already been gotten with no college degree. You have to have experience in something relevant, and usually, it is college/military/specific qualification related.

like, "audit specialist" you can have a bach degree with 18 hours of accounting/auditing, one year as a state trainee(which was there before), commonwealth accounting intern program(which was there before) or combo of experience/training which includes 18 credits of accounting/audting.

so, you will still need what like, 6 accounting college classes, and some form of training. Well, Sure, someone with a full semester of accounting and some experience could get in but that is probably going to be pretty rare.

Yes. I applied a shit ton 15 years ago and have been with the state ever since. It is hard internally too. a position opens up and many apply. I've been trying to move up for a while but haven't been able too for a LONG time.

I've also interviewed workers to be hired.

college degree doesn't effect your score unless you are using it as education in place of experience.

The state is sometimes hard to get into. There are only so many positions and while the money isn't great for the level of position you are in, the benefits and leave can't be beat. so you are competing against every other person who applies outside of state workers and competing against every other lower level state worker.

I don't know which positions you've applied for but there are ones that pop up all the time. clerk typists, income maintaince caseworkers and others.

eh, not really. generally, you have been able to use experience or previous job level instead of college for the majority of positions for a while.

a lot of jobs on that list on the "new website" - the experience matters section of the employment website for the state didn't require college degrees before hand. many required less, like the lower clerical jobs just needed a high school diploma or GED equal and then there are more professional jobs that always cared more about your bonafides such as nursing licenses, and generally moving up in the state just required you to be at a lower level such as a clerical supervisor generally just needed you to have been a clerical worker for a while.

I think it does expand the list a little bit and puts a bit more emphasis on the experience, I don't think a couple thousand job openings will stop kids from going to college as a way to get education they would need to be able to get those jobs too.

The thing about Mastriano was that he was NEVER a good candidate. he got like 40% of the primary. Most republicans didn't even want his ass.

That mentality that you talk about is exactly small town PA. I'm from one of those towns, a place that has been dying for 100 years and is about the kick the real bucket in the next couple. 22% of my home county's population is over 65 years old which is a couple of points higher than most places. The kids, the smart ones leave, they go off to college or run off to get a job elsewhere that makes real money. They think the town is dying because of "those city folks just draining money"... but no, there is no real industry there... and the loud crazy folks rule the roost. Why the hell would any person stay in a town like that willingly.

I have an uncle that about 13 years ago was happy to get a job at a factory/warehouse type joint for like 13$/hr. There were plenty of jobs less than an hour away that were paying 20$ at the time. They were advertising hard because they needed people. I was making like 17$/hr doing a state job. He didn't want to leave home, even if it meant bettering him position.

I had a friend in high school that we lost touch after he lost his damned mind babbling on about Obama and the exact thing you said, "all those welfare blah blah blah".... he was a dude that had three kids and trying to support them as a pizza boy. He did eventually find at a warehouse until he "hurt his back", probably doing something dumb because safety rules are for commies or something like that and had been out of work for months to years, trying to get a disability check. His kids and his wife was on welfare because he wasn't able to provide for them... so when he started spouting that out, I told him that HE was a welfare queen and the citizens of the commonwealth are paying for HIS kids and that is was pretty shitty to think that other people don't deserve that.

Fuck that place, I ran and am happier for it.

Been republicans since atleast like 1990's. There was one moment that the dems got in but mostly republicans. Yet, for some reason all those hick folks blame democrats... like bud they can't do anything because they are the minority... and you keep voting for the same person... and yet you wonder why nothing has changed.

I mean.. yeah.. no one ordered him to dump it. He normal buyer didn't want it because their normal buyers weren't buying.

It would make sense to make milk, cheese and other milk products out of it for home or farmers market sale's.

Oh, you don't want to talk about the republican legislature, got it

Hell, you don't even want to talk about pennsylvania, got it.

haha, you don't want to talk about the pennsylvania budget.

You are going to have a hard time in life, little buddy.

The article is talking about the Pennsylvania infrastructure which is about pennsylvania and its budget, which requires the pennsylvania majority in the legislature to pass.

You can try to change the subject all you want but facts are facts and they don't care about your feelings, the republican pennsylvanian congress fucked up the budget and has been fucking up the budget since atleast 2000. You can try to blame any governor you want but the budget is the legislative responsiblity. Or are they all dumb fucks that can't do their job and it is the governor's job to to their jobs?

bet you forgot about Corbett, the republican governor... and the republican legislature upped the gas tax... and then the republican legislature decided not to fund republican counties saying "fuck the police" and decided not to pay for them

yeah bud. This state has had a fully republican legislature for all of the last 30 years save for like four, and a republican congress person for all those 30 years but 4 runs... .but yeah, it has got to be the minority party's fault... can't be the people you keep voting for.

Hey bud, if you are against how the republican legislature writes the budget, you should probably stop voting for them.

Yes, that money was to go to that.. until republican strongholds decided they don't want to pay for police protection anymore but wanted to keep being protected by the police... and the republican legislature said, "well, no they don't have to pay for that extra service.

yeah bud.

I didn't know that Wolf wrote the budget. Maybe the very republican legislature should probably take responsibility for that.

I believe it is Herr street, or whatever street that the "stage on herr" is/was.
If you continue walking this way to the river, you see that brown brick building behind the tree there... it is very noticable because there is row of these style of houses built by some locally famous buildere. One of them went for sale a short bit ago and it was nice.

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It is Herr and Susquehanna street. Just googled. I used to wander around there a lot.

Shapiro bought ads that talked about Mastriano. None of the ads actually promoted Mastriano as the best choice. They were aimed at pointing out that Mastriano was a trumper, was at the jan 6th riot and generally pointing out his extreme points of view.

it was a strike to get those other republicans against him, or more centralist to stay home.

Mastriano was up 20% over his closest primary opponent but that left dougie only at around 40%. That means 60% of the republicans voted for someone else, possibly even against Mastriano.

If Shapiro could spent less than a million, or even less than half a million and could sway that much of the party to Mastriano... he really should change jobs, because people would pay MILLIONS to be able to swing a primary that hard.

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Now, to look at the numbers that doug pulled vs Josh, it was 2.2 million vs 3 million

If we looked at the presidental election trump vs biden, 3.3 million vs 3.5 million

It looks like a bit less voted for shapiro than biden but more than a million fewer votes went to mastriano vs trump...

If we looked at the presidential election of trump vs clinton, Shapiro got a bit more than hillary but mastriano got about 800k fewer votes than when trump won.

Well, I doubt that Shapiro's ad boosted Mastriano. If it did, Shapiro needs to be a campaign manager for republicans. He spent less than a million dollars and Mastriano won the primary by 20+%. if it was only a couple of points, maybe but to swing 300k voters(more than the next primary hopeful got) to Mastriano is a bit of a pipe dream.

The ad was also not saying "Mastriano is a great guy", it was "Mastriano is a cool with hateful mobs" and the like. It was to turn off moderate republicans that had enough of Trump and violence. It was aimed at like the 60% of the republicans that didn't vote for Mastriano in the primary.

Well, at the statewide level, we have been blue for a LONG time. we dabble with red at those levels but usually only very popular candidates. Our national senate tends to be rather purple.

Even our national representatives are purple-ish, when they are not gerrymandered. Our state congress is pretty red.

Small towns have also shifted because every generation for atleast the last 40+ years have ran from them and have generally decided not to go back. You go off for college or technical training, why go back there, you can make so much more money elsewhere. You aren't religious, are gay, or have odd interests for a small town... why the hell would you stay there, there is NOTHING to do there.

Even if you do regular trades work, why go to a place that only has 40k people in 400 square miles who are generally poorer, when you can have a million+ in the same sized space only an hour away, who tend to have more money.

Those places aren't bringing in new people, there aren't a lot of businesses, aren't a lot of well paying jobs, they shoot themselves in the foot every step of the way