That is the thing I just don't get, there are tons of ways to get to a "good" place even using christian beliefs and Jesus's words/works.... and the same for republicans.

They push for a christian government but forget many of jesus' words/works.

When asked who is a good person, it isn't a person who goes to your church or a priest of your church... it is a person that helps you, that takes you from danger and pays for medical care. Sounds like an endorsement of a christian government taking care of the medical needs of the people to me.

When a woman is going to be killed because of religious law, jesus stepped in and said, "yo, everyone here has broken the religious law, stop it"... sounds like the government shouldn't be imposing religious law to me.

When asked who is going to heaven, he said, "yo... you think you love me and follow me, well why don't you feed me, dress me, take care of me, visit me in prison..." they were confused and said, "you ain't been hungry".. he points out "what you do those in pain and suffering, those that you feel are below you, you are doing to me, quit being assholes and take care of each other"... hmm, sounds like we should be gladly putting in for SNAP(food stamps), helping the poor, and making prison not a torture center.

You didn't ask me anything.

Well, you do know that new laws are allowed beyond the constitution, infact, it is how the Republicans made this a law.

But generally the federal government can't do certain things to citizens, and it requires that states follow the same rules. Such as freedom of speech and the like. There are a couple of things about voting that the state can't do... One of which is turn away votes because of none needed details that are immaterial to the voting.

Once again, if we are using the feet pics to vote, would you also be for that requirement for mail in voting?

The signature on other offical forms are important for relaying the date that you agreed to a thing. Such as, if I transfer a car to you, the date that we both sign is the date that the car is now yours and your responsiblity. The same for a mortgage, that signature date is important to determine when you are responsible for the mortgage, and the start date of bills/taxes/interest.

What benefit does a signature on the 2nd outside envelope have? The date that you agreed to fill out the document and provide it? It already has a cut off date of election day. Notice ,they aren't talking about signing the ballot itself but an outside envelope. In most cases that envelope will be discarded, so the date is not maintained anywhere but there is no need to. The county will know the date they sent it, the general date they have received it, and that they have it before election day.

There is another concern, notice the PA supreme court also stated that "incorrectly" dated ballots must be separated out, however there is no definition of what "incorrect" means in the Supreme Court decision or the Law. Is mm/dd/yy ok, or does it have to be mm/dd/yyyy? Can you put "Nov" or do you have to put "November", what if someone misspells "November" is that incorrect since there is no month called "Novimber"

The Federal law does not allow states to bar votes for unrelated things other than ability to vote. Those laws came about when southerners decided to use Poll tests and various other poll related things to try to stop certain folks from voting.

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A nonsensical example would be if there was a law that every voter had to show a poll worker their feet before being able to cast a vote in-person. It maybe the law but that wouldn't mean it would make sense. Since owning feet isn't a prerequisite for voting.

Ah, so you are against soldiers voting? That will be a tough row to hoe but you can do that if you like. Soldiers have been voting by mail since like 1864.

I guess I am just concerned what an "incorrect" date is... and who decides that.

Sure, and once again, there are other ways than forcing legislators from rewriting the law to change the laws, such as it being found invalid vs other laws, such as the courts.

The PA supreme court was pretty split on it, and the us supreme court allowed the ballots to be counted in june/july which led to the republican candidate losing, then they said the decision was moot. So they didn't actually make a decision on a thing in a wider context, just a very narrow context.

but hey, that's fine. stupid republican laws can exist.... and now they can't complain about it for this election.

Your response does not make sense to the statement.

They asked "what materially stops a vote from being validated without a date" and you said, "well, it might be stupid but we still have to follow it"

Sure, no one is debating that. However, you seem to think that going through the legislature is the only way of dealing with laws when that isn't exactly true. And no, I am not talking about civil disobedience.

and if that is what you got from the supreme court's decision, you may want to read it closer. They invalidated the case because it was moot. meaning that the decision does not matter anymore. The PA supreme court has gone along with the law as is, however a concerning part of that decision was the "incorrectly" dated envelope segregation. that calls up what I said in the last message. what does "incorrectly" dated envelopes look like?

Well, because a law is stupid isn't a reason but it being invalidated by existing or new laws is a typical way of changing laws.

Like, if the federal government has a law that says, "you can't invalidate ballots received by election day for reasons that do not pertain to the citizen's ability to vote such as Identity or citizenship"

If the state makes a law that says, "you must kiss each envelope with love before mailing it"

People can argue that being able to kiss an envelope or kiss it with love is not pertinent to the actual voting process, to the verification of citizenship or identity, so it doesn't meet federal rules.

This is putting a date on the outside of the second outer envelope, it is immaterial. to me, this is like the idea of every person showing up for in-person voting will have to show their feet to the poll workers before they could vote, not relevant, even if it is the law.

Typically, determining if a law is a currently valid one has been done through the courts. It is part of the redress that we as citizens are allowed to do by the first amendment. Citizens are going to the courts because they see a potential of this being a thing that could be abused, with no actual benefits to the election/voting process. Some folks see this as something that could be used much in the same way as literacy poll tests were used by some in the south. Especially without a standardized way to respond with the date, and depending on who is looking at it, is 11/3/22, 11/3/2022, 11/03/2022, November 3rd 2022, Nov. 3rd 2022 and all of the permutations could cause someone to be denied.

I love those ads, "Fetterman hasn't worked and only lived off of his parents" then "he hasn't paid any taxes and had liens placed against him"

If a dude doesn't have money, how could he owe taxes?

Wait, if being given money and working for your parents is a bad thing, why wasn't it a bad thing for trump?

The really fun part is that this got to court because of a "number of elderly democratic and republican voters" forgot to put the date on the envelope.

I hope those republican voters realize that these republicans has argued that we shouldn't count their votes.

oh, it isn't dated ballots... it is a dated envelope. Hell, the date doesn't have to be anything official or even right to be accepted, that is how important the date is to the process.

No one is checking to to see it is an actual date, no one is checking your handwriting numbers against the little circles you fill in.

it doesn't add to election security.

I like the legislators are suing to change the election code for curing ballo rather than.. you know, legislating.

Ballot curing is a process that is allowed but not given specific rules that each county follows. The republican counties tend not to allow curing, which hurts republicans. So legislate that they are required to cure or not... and make it make sense.

because it doesn't fucking make sense for a written date on an outside envelope to determine if someone gets to vote or not because it is inconsequential to the process. If it has a postal date stamp from before the election or received before an election... then it is good. It is like saying, "every envelop needs to be kissed with love"

They danced around for it too.

Not just that, the election board wanted to have a standardized curing process for problem ballots in all of the counties, the democrats did too. The republicans said, "nah"... decided not to legislate it and now they are trying to go to court to standardize it.

If you have nothing but the bare minimum, things can't be removed as punishment, the group won't care about losing privileges.

We don't want to release men driven to be animals because they had to fight each other over scraps of bread. We want to release people who have learned some form of trade if they did not before, proper medical management of mental illness and learn how to be in a society of people...

This is probably a built up group of prisoners that are all on the up and up. They get cool privileges, it might filter out to the others and the very violent and non helpable folks will take more effort but everyone else will be easier