thevictater

thevictater t1_irtcd3g wrote

Many people could do better for sure, but I don't fault people as a species and presume us all stupid. I fault them and decide if they're stupid individually. Still, I think there are enough good people that it's not hopeless. It is not easy, and it will take time. In the end all we have is hope.

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thevictater t1_irt5bot wrote

Yeah but different how?? You're putting consciousness on a pedestal in one breath and saying we don't understand it in the next. So which is it? By your logic it is dumb to assume either way.

But most people think AI can be conscious because it seems very possible that consciousness is just a product of a neural network of a certain size. Seems fair to me. Even still, no one can say with absolute certainty, so there's not much point in arguing about it or calling anything dumb.

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thevictater t1_irswns3 wrote

Most of that could be summed up by what I said earlier, "humans aren't perfect."

We didn't engineer society to work this way, it happened over thousands of years. I don't blame myself and I don't blame them either. We are victims of circumstance, and our ancestors were stumbling in the dark. The effects of climate change are only beginning to be understood in the past few dozen years, and I choose to remain hopeful for the future.

Of course, crooked people will always exist and so nuclear waste will continue to be buried and microplastics will continue to fill our lungs. Fortunately for us, there are also good, very smart people out there constantly trying to crack ways we can begin to fix these issues. Some may be fixable, some not, but all of it will only be discovered by humans. Again, I remain hopeful.

I do so because we find what we seek. If you want humans to be stupid, you're going to find plenty of examples.

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thevictater t1_irqsmei wrote

Dumb compared to what species??? You have an impossibly high standard for something so unpredictable. Humans aren't perfect but I'd wager we've done as respectable as any other intelligent life out there.

If you want to be negative nihilist man who hates people then go ahead but that won't fix climate change. You'll have to rely on stupid humans I guess.

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