ttylyl

ttylyl t1_ja3zmus wrote

Sort of. If you look at the states for under 30 it’s a lot different tho. I would highly recommend finding a website or app that lets you talk to people from different countries.

It’s a lot like the war in Iraq, if you asked a 55 year old at the time there’s a good chance they would support it, if you ask a 25 year old there’s a good chance they don’t.

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ttylyl OP t1_j74w3hf wrote

The issue I’m seeing is that the populations would be in two and a half classes: unemployed low skill people, employed high skill people(things needed after AI, so like notaries, maybe doctors, entertainers, people to work on/monitor AI) and AI owning people(large investors in openai, connected people, etc.)

Eventually they will realize that using their ai/robot labor power to feed house and fund the unemployed lower skill people doesn’t help their goals, so they will spend less over time. This will happen faster with competition, the more you spend on the non-ai owning class, the further you get behind the people who don’t.

If this continues the unemployed former working class will be functionally pushed from society, they won’t be able to use their work as a method of negotiation, like labor unions etc. our lives will be at the whim of people who already clearly don’t care if we’re poor. What happens when they don’t need us at all?

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ttylyl OP t1_j748na7 wrote

I see a future that groups of regular people, however they find eachother, will invest in training an ai model to accomplish a simple job very well, let’s say an automated call center. They can then be contracted by other companies who need customer service.

I like the idea of people having their own piece of the ai market because in most of human history our labor was a negotiation tool.

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ttylyl OP t1_j745ggc wrote

Yes ai needs trainers, but 1000 trainers can make a simple but concise model that replaces 500,000 jobs, call centers are an easy example. And then they have to make another model that takes more jobs if they want to keep theirs.

The new jobs from the AI market won’t match the jobs lost from AI replacement. Think about it this way, a company wouldn’t new tech unless it saves them money right?

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ttylyl OP t1_j74508l wrote

To be a little conspiratorial what if the current tensions over China are being instigated by this?

Like Taiwan makes ~90% of the worlds computer chips. The United States recently sanctioned China from our AI chip and software industry, and we are sending cruisers to the South China Sea with nukes.

The futures looking bright. Very, very, skin burning bright 😎

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ttylyl OP t1_j744l83 wrote

Yes but as soon as one company/organization can vertically integrate food, energy, industry, and healthcare they won’t.

AI could simply work for them instead of for a consumer, they wouldn’t have a need for money, they wouldn’t need to buy anything.

No need for consumers if the upper class is the only consumer.

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ttylyl OP t1_j741hmr wrote

I agree completely about the arms race. I really think this is tantamount with the creation of the nuclear bomb. What scares me though is, like much technology, either will or has already been used by military orgs. Think about a mass gpt powered disinformation campaign. Ten million twitter users intelligently arguing disinformation, debating points, and seeding information. Scary stuff.

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ttylyl OP t1_j740eys wrote

The issue I’m seeing is that the populations would be in two and a half classes: unemployed low skill people, employed high skill people(things needed after AI, so like notaries, maybe doctors, entertainers, people to work on/monitor AI) and AI owning people(large investors in openai, connected people, etc.)

Eventually they will realize that using their ai/robot labor power to feed house and fund the unemployed lower skill people doesn’t help their goals, so they will spend less over time. This will happen faster with competition, the more you spend on the non-ai owning class, the further you get behind the people who don’t.

If this continues the unemployed former working class will be functionally pushed from society, they won’t be able to use their work as a method of negotiation, like labor unions etc. our lives will be at the whim of people who already clearly don’t care if we’re poor. What happens when they don’t need us at all?

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ttylyl OP t1_j73zeh7 wrote

Yes but which humans and how. In the scenario I fear, AI would be laboring for the projects of the people who own it. Eventually over time one of the people who own ai/robot labor will decide that non-skilled unemployed people(most of us at this point) are useless overhead, we should spend less on keeping them alive.

Think about it this way, what are humans laboring for now? A:provide for eachother, food medicine etc to keep labor pool alive and healthy and B: demands of the rich and powerful. What if suddenly reason A becomes useless overhead(human labor useless for production, why waste ai power/labor on having them live comfortable lives), if you were to cut it out you have more power/money for B. Because the severe stratification of power, only those of the owning AI class will be able to make these decisions, and they are more than a little biased.

People have committed genocide over less

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ttylyl OP t1_j73yfkv wrote

They have no need for money if they own the means of production. If their goal is to gain power, and they have infinite AI power, we only represent a threat right? Or am I misunderstanding. In the scenario I am imagining money would likely be abandoned or heavily altered. Or, rich wouldn’t need money, money becomes a thing of the poor, a kind of food stamps.

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