It’s main mechanism is the pursuit of profit. This done via the exploitation of things. Cheap labor cheap raw materials etc etc. This model will consistently produce evil.

Seem like accurate critiques. I have been wondering if we are living in late stage capitalism and if silent quieting is the beginning of the workers revolt? Have we begun to realize after sitting at home during the pandemic that we aren’t supposed to just spend our lives in cubicles in order to earn money so we can buy stuff we don’t really want or need?

Interesting. Well I came to this conclusion by thinking on what pain is. Pain has a dualistic quality to it consisting of physical and psychological aspects. It’s by this dualistic natural that I conclude it must be the only truly universal experience meaning that humans can always recognize physical or psychological pain across cultures. From this point the only other thing that has a dualistic universal quality to it that I could think of was light. Once I started to correlate the two idea of pain and light I began to understand that pain shouldn’t always be avoided and is a necessary part of our universe as it could be a source energy or entropy from the change and growth process or something else. But I realized it is indeed universal and it’s due to pains intrinsic qualities that there will be more pain then pleasure, but pain being more abundant then pleasure also makes sense if the of goal of this place is the accumulation of wisdom via the application of having experiences and adding those experiences to knowledge. Which I believe can’t be achieved without a first person perspective. Hope that was at all understandable of how I arrived to my position. I assumed antinatalism was a a bleak out look of what the universe is where I would say my outlook is not that at all even though it appears I have arrived at very similar conclusions.

Never heard of this but after doing some reading about it I can dig it!! Does he discuss or purpose a universal idea or experience from which all spoken conversation could be built from? I have a theory around this idea. Thanks for sharing!

It’s called capitalism lol

If we believe the whole of our consciousness is just the sum of our desires and behaviors and react accordingly to the internal and external stimuli of the world our ego then we only have the illusion of free will. Ie if you know some one who has a “temper or “short fuse” and you know what to say to set the person of or lose control they are acting in a pre determined way. However someone who chooses how to respond to something because they have recognized that the only thing that is in our control is ourselves is now acting freely or exercising there free will. This is why all world religions speak about start by looking within in order to understand our true nature and work on gaining mastery over ourselves. There was a phrase at the entrance of the Temple of Delphi which read, "Homo Nosce Te Ipsum," which means, "Man, know yourself, and you will know the universe, and its gods."

Finally nature at least in the view of these philosophers does not have awareness and thus has no ability of free will and must act in a predetermined way.. At least this is how I would interpret what these philosophers at trying to say at this point in my own journey.

One a desire is fulfilled we are ultimately unsatisfied by its fulfillment and either move the goal post by creating a new desire to fulfill or attempt to repeat fulfillment process. Both create a hamster wheel for us to run both lewd to the experience of some pain. IMO antinatalism works if someone accepts that the whole of who they are are just there desires and behaviors and cant exercise control over these things. It also falls apart if we view pain as just something bad or to be avoid and not merely as an unavoidable human experience that is universal. Pain appears to me as neutral because the pain being experienced must always be made relative to the one experiencing it, as it could be good if it eliciting beneficial changes and growth. But perhaps if we view pain as the best way to learn something (fear learning) it may actually be good if viewed this way.

If you view the physical universe farthest from the one true source that all things emanate from then speaking a world gives it a physical manifestation moving that spoken word farther from the one true source. Viewed in this framework of the world I can see how this statement might make sense.

I think all world religions are first for the people in the time and place it was formed via some person who has leveled up or become enlightened to the true nature of our universe. This is why the meta message of the main world religions are roughly the same and speak to being born ignorant to our true nature and that we should all endeavor to figure it. Once this becomes apparent then it becomes obvious how we are to act in this world and treat others. So I would agree with your statement.