*sad ergodox noises*

I truly can't understand how or why someone would treat a weapon with such triviality. Truth be told I don't really want to. If you, or anyone for that matter, treated a concealed firearm with the same regard as their keys or phone, why should I trust that they'll respect the basic rules of firearm safety?

I'm not trying to speak for everyone. Accidentally losing a gun doesn't have the same impact that losing a phone or wallet has. Any attempts to compare the two negates the seriousness of carrying a concealed weapon for self defense and the mindset one has while carrying.

Why would you ever treat a loaded weapon with the same triviality that one treats a wallet or keys?

In public, no. Anything that would require a significant amount of time, money, and effort I keep track of consistently with ease.

I carry a gun every day. I don't treat it as a trivial part of my daily carry because of how much of a shitstorm I'd be in should I happen to lose it.

Plenty of reasons, and any incident where someone causes an accident due to negligence gets punished accordingly.

You kind of did. If you can't hear a lot of keys jangling around that are about equal weight to a P238, and don't notice the lack of the additional weight, you kind of might need to pay more goddamn attention.

Why do you care, anyway? This thread is about people equating keys and whatnot to firearms as if forgetting the former is equivalent to forgetting the latter.

I disagree for a few reasons, but it's a fair take.

You didn't, but your reply in defense of the idea that one can somehow equate forgetting keys -- a significant key ring, according to them -- to forgetting a firearm on top of the fact that you said that I "sound like an ass" pretty clearly indicates what you think.

No u.

And you really sound like an idiot if you think that a set of keys, phone, wallet has the same level of importance as a firearm and therefore it's excusable if someone forgets one in a public space.

I don't really see how they're related, but ultimately the lack of awareness period in this situation is abhorrent.

It doesn't have to be an all or nothing situation, one just has to fucking check that their pistol is where it's supposed to be (i.e. on their waist, in a bag, etc.) whenever they go somewhere. It's truly not that hard.

So I'll take that as a no. What makes you think a gun is of equal importance to a phone or a wallet?

Have you ever forgotten your kids while out and about? Or a friend's kids who you were looking after? I sincerely hope not, because that says a lot about how self-absorbed you can be.

Golly, thank you Mr. stranger!

Don't forget your gun(s) in bathrooms.

Man, you must not pay much attention if you don't hear a noisy-ass keychain on your waist.

What, you don't do the pat down before leaving bars/bathrooms?

And yet it's still noticable when you don't have your work keychain, no?

No duh, but even then it should be very, very obvious that you don't have a holster on your waist. The only way a firearm and keys are really comparable in that they're things that are usually carried, but other than that there's a significant weight (both metaphorically and literally) that should be hard for one to forget.

Makes you wonder how seriously they actually take carrying in a school.

Trivial things maybe, but if you carry something habitually (e.g. a wallet, laptop in your backpack) it's very clear when you don't have it. Especially the whole "carrying to protect your students" schtick, it's something I really hope they'd take seriously. Carrying a gun isn't something trivial, especially if it's a chunky mf.

How in the fuck do you just forget that you have a gun on your person?

The biggest killer of cops so far has been COVID, so I'm more inclined to believe that it's increased reporting.

Edit: COVID was the leading cause of death among active-duty law enforcement in 2021 : NPR

You could have just said "the headline sucks" instead of going on a rant about malpractice suits. Did you even bother to read the article?

Safer for the occupants, you mean.

> Firearms have no utility aside from hunting or warfare

Self defense is very much a valid reason. During the civil rights era firearms were used to defend against racist groups/lynch mobs by black communities. Fun fact: in some cases the police themselves even participated in the lynch mobs.

> Also there are many more cars being used per minute than guns so they will obviously have a higher rate of fatalities

And because of that, for literal decades motor vehicles have been the leading cause of death in children.

> Those motor vehicles are also taken away from individuals who are not using them in the prescribed manner

Vehicle ownership isn't a protected right, and one is only required to get insurance and licensing if operating on public roads. Registration, licensing, insurance, none of those things prevent people from misusing their cars to intentionally or otherwise harm others.

I wouldn't know, I don't watch Fox or Tucker. I mean I'm not "frothing state" but you believe whatever you want to lol.

> mosquitos kill a lot more people than both so let’s ban them right?

Fuckin A, how can I help? Mosquitos not only are fucking annoying they kill ~700k people worldwide.

> Get back to me when a gun requires taking an exam, getting a permit, then shooting only with a licensed instructor or firearm owner, then taking a practical test, then carrying liability insurance, with a license that can be revoked if you prove not responsible enough to handle it.

Then I guess I'll never be getting back to you as you can't and shouldn't one to pass a test in order to exercise their rights. That is a very, very dangerous precedent. You remember Texas' abortion ban, and the way they effectively skirted a constitutionally protected right? That opened up a whole-ass can of worms that people can now use to attack other rights.

> “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”

Well regulated meaning functioning, in working order.