yaniv297

yaniv297 t1_ja6ywky wrote

Yeah well, the Tel Aviv beaches are gorgeous and the Gaza coastline is the continuation of them. With all the "publicity" of the conflict, a peaceful solution would be historic world news and will cause a huge financial bloom. There's so much potential to make Gaza truly a beautiful thing. Sadly, the population there is not very educated (lack universities, etc), but this can change with times.

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yaniv297 t1_ja5icbs wrote

> The majority of Israelis don't want peace

Lol, you have no idea what's going on here. The majority of Israelis crave nothing more than peace. Every mother who gives birth fears the day her son will be recruited to the army. We're tired of terror attacks, missiles, etc. We envy European countries who mostly don't have to deal with that crap.

If true, actual peace was on the table, I guarantee that the huge majority of Israelis (other than a radical religious minority) will embrace it with both hands, and whoever leader brings it will be a legend forever.

What you mean to say is: the majority of Israel have grown tired of blood thirsty, radical Palestinian leaders, and currently believe peace isn't possible because the other side isn't ready. Which causes Israel to elect right wing leaders. Because frankly, with Hamas on the other side, the lefties who speak about peace sounds mostly out of touch with reality.

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yaniv297 t1_ja5hg0h wrote

> it doesn't make sense for Palestine to become the only country since WW2 that accepts the legitimacy of losing territory by military conquest.

First of all, Palestinians never had a country or official territory to begin with. Some of the Israeli offers were very fair in the circumstances.

You say it "doesn't make sense" to accept the loss - why? What's the alternative, what's the Palestinian end game, to win the war and conquer Israel? Israel have one of the world's best and most modern armies, state of art intelligence that knows everything in Gaza strip, a top class airforce, the Mossad, Shin Bet, etc. Plus Israel have the USA on its side, and they have nukes.

So option one: keep fighting this truly hopeless fight hoping for some miraclous win, while living in povetry and hundreds of innocents on both sides die.

Option two - accept defeat and a peace deal, build a country that's smaller than you wanted. The world will celebrate this unlikely peace - A truly peaceful Palestinian country will be immediately beloved worldwide and will be showered with donations. Palestinians have often worked in Israel and with Israelis. Over time, if true peace holds, the new country can benefit greatly from Israel's riches, jobs and technologies.

But according to you, option two "doesn't make sense", because, well... Why?

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yaniv297 t1_ja5evcq wrote

You know if Israel actually wanted to annhalite Palestinians, they could have done it in about an hour, right?

That guy you're talking with is absolutely right, Israel were far from perfect at times but they were never ever genocidal. While a genocide is the stated intention of Palestinian leadership even today.

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yaniv297 t1_ja5ees3 wrote

Sadly, the new generation of Palestinians is shaping up as even more violent than the older ones. The older ones usually know Hebrew, have worked in Israel in the past. They hate the situation, but they know Jewish people and see them as human. The new generation, many of them never even set foot in Israel. They've been brainwashed since birth, some of the propoganda show Jews as having devilish horns. Terrorist Social media is strong and everything is radicalized. We've had 13 years old killing people a few weeks ago. They upload that shit to Tik Tok. Many of them don't listen to the "old people in charge" because they are seen as too moderate. It's early days but I'm not optimistic at all about peace with this generation.

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